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Has anyone received a letter from the IRS about their stimulus payment but still not received the actual money? I got Notice 1444-D saying I was getting $1400 two weeks ago but nothing has shown up in my bank account or mailbox. Starting to worry it got lost or stolen.
Yeah this happened to me too! I got the letter almost 3 weeks ago but still no payment. I ended up checking the Get My Payment tool and it showed my payment was scheduled for direct deposit on 3/19 but my bank has no record of it. Called my bank and they suggested I contact the IRS because they have no pending deposits for me.
Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone! I checked the Get My Payment tool again today and now it's showing they mailed a check on 3/21 even though I have direct deposit set up for my tax refunds. So weird and frustrating! I guess I'll just keep checking my mail. Hopefully it shows up soon - really counting on that money right now.
Does anyone know if we'll need to report these stimulus payments on our 2025 tax returns? I remember last time they made us confirm how much we received. I want to make sure I'm tracking everything correctly.
Economic Impact Payments are technically advance payments of a tax credit, but they aren't taxable income. You don't have to report them as income on your tax return. You will likely need to reconcile the amount on your 2025 tax return, especially if you were underpaid based on your circumstances. For example, if you had a child in 2025 that wasn't accounted for in your stimulus payment.
My small manufacturing business legitimately qualified for ERC in 2020 Q2 and Q3 due to government shutdown orders affecting our supply chain. We worked with our regular CPA firm who did a thorough analysis before filing. Received about $148,000 after 7 months of waiting. Then last year, one of those ERC specialty firms cold-called and insisted we qualified for an additional $235,000 for other quarters. They used really questionable logic about how "social distancing affected efficiency" and other stretches. I declined, and now I'm hearing about massive audits happening. So glad I didn't take the bait.
Do you know if the IRS is actively auditing claims right now? My brother used one of those ERC specialty firms and got almost $400k, but I'm worried he's going to end up owing it all back plus penalties.
Yes, the IRS announced earlier this year that they're significantly increasing audit activity specifically targeting ERC claims. They've actually paused processing new claims while they develop better fraud detection systems and have added staff specifically for ERC audits. If your brother used an ERC mill that made questionable eligibility determinations, he should seriously consider talking to a qualified tax professional immediately - not the firm that filed the claim. The IRS has stated they're focusing on claims that show "common indicators of non-compliance," and those $400k claims from businesses that didn't experience clear revenue drops or government shutdowns are prime targets.
We're a small nonprofit that worked with an ERC firm last year. They charged us 25% of the credit amount (about $80k total) and promised we qualified. We got the money but I'm now terrified after hearing about all the audits. The firm we used has since shut down their website and their phone is disconnected. Anyone else in a similar situation? Should we be proactively contacting the IRS?
This is unfortunately a common situation. Many of these ERC mills collected their fees and have now disappeared, leaving clients exposed to potential audit risk. As a tax professional, I would recommend: 1) Gather all documentation about how the firm determined you qualified. Did they provide a detailed eligibility analysis? 2) Consult with a reputable tax professional (CPA or tax attorney) who can review your specific situation and documentation. 3) If the determination was clearly improper, you might want to consider a voluntary disclosure to the IRS, though the formal program has ended. The IRS is most concerned with willful fraud. If you relied on what you believed was professional advice in good faith, that's a factor the IRS will consider, though it doesn't eliminate repayment obligation if you truly didn't qualify.
Has anyone noticed that TurboTax and other tax software sometimes handle the education credit phaseouts differently than the paper forms? I think that might explain why you're seeing different results. When I was in a similar situation last year with partial Lifetime Learning Credit eligibility, I found that line 6 on the worksheet wasn't matching what TurboTax calculated. It turned out that the software was applying the phaseout calculation at a different point in the process.
That makes sense! I noticed something similar with H&R Block software. Do you think it's safer to go with what the IRS forms calculate or what the tax software says?
In my experience, I've found that tax software like TurboTax is generally correct because it's applying all the rules comprehensively. The paper worksheets sometimes require you to go back and forth between multiple forms in a specific order, which is easy to mess up when doing it manually. If there's a significant difference though, I'd recommend double-checking your entries in the software to make sure everything is correct. Tax software can only be as accurate as the information you provide. Most major tax software is regularly updated to comply with current tax laws, so it's usually reliable if you've entered everything correctly.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that the Lifetime Learning Credit has different qualified expense rules compared to the American Opportunity Credit. With the LLC, you can claim expenses for courses to acquire or improve job skills, not just degree programs. Did you include all eligible expenses? For 2025, you can claim 20% of up to $10,000 in qualified expenses (maximum $2,000 credit).
Something nobody mentioned yet - have you considered just reducing your MAGI to stay under the limit? Max out your 401k if you haven't already ($23,000 for 2024), contribute to an HSA if eligible ($4,150 individual), or look into if your employer offers any other pre-tax benefits like dependent care FSA, commuter benefits, etc. Might be easier than dealing with withdrawals and recalculations if you're close to the threshold. I was in a similar situation last year and managed to drop my MAGI just enough by maxing these pre-tax options.
That's a great point I hadn't considered! My company does offer a 401k that I'm not fully maxing out yet. I'm putting in about 10% of my salary but could definitely increase that. We also have an HSA option I haven't been using. Would increasing 401k contributions now still help reduce my MAGI for the whole year, even though we're partway through 2024?
Yes, increasing your 401k contributions now will still help reduce your 2024 MAGI, even though we're partway through the year. Your MAGI calculation only looks at your total contributions for the year, not when during the year they were made. If you significantly increase your contribution percentage for the remaining months, you can make up for the lower contribution rate from earlier in the year. The HSA is another great option if you have a qualifying high-deductible health plan. The $4,150 contribution limit (for individual coverage) for 2024 comes straight off your MAGI calculation. Between maxing out your 401k and adding an HSA, you could potentially reduce your MAGI by enough to stay within the Roth contribution limits, avoiding the need to withdraw anything.
I think there's some confusion in this thread. The 5-year rule for Roth IRAs has TWO different applications: 1. For CONTRIBUTIONS: You can withdraw your contributions anytime without penalty regardless of the 5-year rule. 2. For CONVERSIONS and EARNINGS: The 5-year rule applies here. Each conversion has its own 5-year clock, and earnings require both 5 years AND being 59.5 years old to avoid penalties. In your case, since you're only withdrawing contributions, the 5-year rule doesn't matter at all. The app warning is just a generic message they show everyone. Also - if you're close to the income limit, consider contributing to a Traditional IRA and then doing a Backdoor Roth conversion rather than dealing with partial contribution calculations.
Thanks for clarifying the 5-year rule! One question though - if OP does the backdoor Roth conversion, doesn't that start a NEW 5-year clock for those converted funds? I'm trying to understand if there's any disadvantage to the backdoor approach versus direct contributions if you might need access to the money before 59.5.
Amara Nnamani
Another option is to contact your local Taxpayer Advocate Service office. They can sometimes help with IP PIN issues when normal channels aren't working. You can find your local office on the TAS website. They've helped me with similar issues in the past.
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Carmen Lopez
ā¢Thanks for the suggestion. How long does it typically take to get help from the Taxpayer Advocate Service? Do they have the same backlog as regular IRS services?
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Amara Nnamani
ā¢The Taxpayer Advocate Service does have some backlog, but generally they can get to you within 1-2 weeks which is much faster than waiting for regular IRS correspondence. They prioritize cases with imminent deadlines, so if you explain you're trying to file before the deadline, they often expedite. When you contact them, be very clear that you've attempted all normal channels for obtaining your IP PIN with no success. They can often issue temporary PINs or provide alternative filing guidance.
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Giovanni Mancini
Just a note that if you're a victim of identity theft and THAT'S why you have an IP PIN, do NOT file without it, even on paper! That will create a huge mess. If you voluntarily opted into the IP PIN program, paper filing might be ok but still not ideal.
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Fatima Al-Suwaidi
ā¢Yes! This happened to my cousin. She filed paper without her IP PIN (after identity theft) and it took 14 months to resolve the issues it created. They froze her refund and she had to go through a whole identity verification process in person.
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