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My tax professor explained it like this: TIN is just the category name, while SSN, EIN, ITIN, etc. are the specific types of TINs. It's like how "vehicle" is the category, but "car," "truck," and "motorcycle" are specific types of vehicles.
This is actually really helpful! So the TIN is just the umbrella term? Are there any other types of TINs besides SSN and EIN that regular people might encounter?
Yes, TIN is exactly that - the umbrella term for various tax identification numbers. Besides SSNs and EINs, there are a few other types regular people might encounter. The most common alternative is the ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number), which is used by residents who need to file taxes but aren't eligible for an SSN, like certain visa holders or non-resident aliens. Another one is the PTIN (Preparer Tax Identification Number) which is used by professional tax preparers - you might see this on your tax return if someone else prepared it for you.
Just to add some extra info - I work at a bank and we always ask for TIN on forms, but we make it clear that "For individuals, this is your SSN." A lot of people get confused by this. You'd be surprised how many people think they need to register for a separate TIN number somewhere.
Another option is to contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service. They're an independent organization within the IRS that helps taxpayers resolve problems. I had an issue with an HSA distribution that was similar to yours and they were super helpful when I couldn't get through to regular IRS channels. Their number is 877-777-4778. You'll need to explain that you have an urgent deadline (2 days qualifies as urgent). Be prepared to verify your identity and provide details about the notice you received.
Has anyone used the Taxpayer Advocate Service for HSA distribution issues specifically? Just wondering if they're familiar with these types of cases or if I should try the other options first given my tight deadline.
The Taxpayer Advocate Service handles all types of tax issues, including HSA distributions. They're especially helpful when you have a deadline approaching and haven't been able to resolve the issue through normal IRS channels. When I used them for my HSA issue, they were very familiar with the documentation requirements and actually helped me understand exactly what I needed to prove qualified medical expenses. The key with your tight deadline is to call them immediately and emphasize the urgency. They can often place a hold on your account while your case is being reviewed.
Might be too late, but another route is visiting a local IRS office in person. You can schedule an appointment through the IRS website. I know it's not ideal with just 2 days left, but sometimes they have same-day or next-day appointments available if you check early in the morning.
This happens more than you'd think! I'm a property manager and see this all the time with family properties. You need to file Form 8275 "Disclosure Statement" with your tax return to disclose this situation to the IRS. This will help protect you from penalties if the rental income hasn't been properly reported. Also get a Quitclaim deed to transfer the property back to your mom or to sell it - having property in your name that you don't control is a liability nightmare.
Thanks for this advice! So with the Form 8275, would I need to file this for just the current year or for previous years too? I have no idea how long this property has been in my name.
You would ideally file the Form 8275 with an amended return for each year the property was in your name and generating income that wasn't reported on your tax return. However, the IRS generally only looks back 3 years for audits (6 years in cases of substantial underreporting), so many tax professionals focus on those years. For the Quitclaim deed, you'll need your mother's cooperation, but it's a relatively simple document that transfers your interest in the property back to her. This would at least stop the ongoing liability issue, even if you still need to address past years.
Honestly your mom committed tax fraud if she's been collecting rent on property in your name but reporting it as her income. You should check your credit report too because sometimes people who put properties in others' names also take out loans. Document everything and consider consulting with a tax attorney before taking any action - you don't want to accidentally implicate yourself in tax evasion.
This! And check with the county to see if there are any liens or property tax issues too. My cousin's ex put a property in her name without telling her and then didn't pay property taxes for years. She found out when she went to buy a car and got denied for a loan because of the tax lien.
This has unfortunately happened to me before! One thing nobody mentioned - file a complaint with your state's CPA board if your accountant is a CPA. They take this stuff very seriously. I got all my money back AND my documents after filing a complaint. The board contacted him and suddenly he was very responsive! Also check if your preparer has a PTIN (Preparer Tax Identification Number). If so, you can file a complaint with the IRS using Form 14157 (Complaint: Tax Return Preparer). The IRS won't help with getting your money back, but they can take disciplinary action.
That's really helpful information! I just checked his business card and he does have a CPA license number listed. Do you remember how long the complaint process took before you got a response? I'm worried about the timing with the deadline so close.
The complaint process took about 10 days before I heard anything, but things moved quickly after that. He contacted me within 24 hours of the board reaching out to him. Since you're so close to the deadline, I'd recommend proceeding with the extension filing and document retrieval processes others suggested while simultaneously filing the complaint. It's worth mentioning that just the threat of a complaint sometimes works - send an email stating you'll be filing a complaint with the state board in 48 hours if he doesn't respond, and copy the email address of your state's CPA board. That alone worked for a friend of mine in a similar situation.
Has anyone suggested just going to his office in person? Sometimes the direct approach works best. I had a similar situation and turns out my accountant had been hospitalized (I felt terrible). His office staff was completely overwhelmed and dropping the ball on client communications.
Connor Murphy
Make sure you're responding to the CP2000 by the deadline! The most important thing is to not ignore it even if you don't have all your documentation yet. For the Roth IRA portion, you need to prove your basis. The IRS assumes all distributions are earnings unless you can document your contributions. If you don't have records of your contributions, contact your IRA custodian ASAP to get historical statements. For the Traditional IRA, you're right that you'll owe taxes plus the 10% penalty since you didn't qualify for any exceptions. One thing to consider: if paying the total amount would cause financial hardship, you can request a payment plan when you respond to the CP2000. They're usually pretty reasonable about setting up installment agreements.
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Jessica Nguyen
ā¢Thanks for the reminder about responding by the deadline. The due date is in about 3 weeks, so I have a little time. Do you know if I'll get a separate bill for the penalties and interest, or will that be included in what I pay when I agree to the CP2000 assessment?
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Connor Murphy
ā¢When you agree to the CP2000 assessment, the response form will show the total additional tax amount they're proposing. This typically includes the 10% early withdrawal penalty for the Traditional IRA portion, but it does not include interest and potential late payment penalties. Those additional amounts will be calculated and included in the actual bill you receive after you've agreed to the assessment. The IRS will send you a separate notice (usually a CP22A) with the final amount including any interest and penalties. Interest continues to accrue until the amount is paid in full. If you're concerned about the total, it's definitely worth requesting an installment agreement either with your CP2000 response or when you receive the final bill. You can use Form 9465 to request a payment plan.
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KhalilStar
Make sure you're using the correct year's Form 8606! I made the mistake of using the current year form instead of the form for the tax year in question. The IRS rejected my response and it added months to the process. You can find old tax forms on the IRS website by searching for "prior year forms." For 2019 forms (which I think is what you need based on your post), go to this page: https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/prior-year
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Amelia Dietrich
ā¢This is such an important point! I did the same thing and it caused all kinds of confusion. The IRS forms change slightly from year to year, and using the wrong one can really mess things up.
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