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One thing I haven't seen mentioned here - you should also get your financial situation in order ASAP. You'll likely end up on a payment plan with the IRS, and they'll want to see your current finances. Start gathering bank statements, credit card statements, loan documents, etc. Figure out your current income, expenses, assets, and debts. The IRS will use this information to determine what you can reasonably pay each month. Also, if you have any ability to start setting aside money now for the eventual tax bill, do it. Even if it's not enough to cover everything, showing good faith by having some payment ready can sometimes help negotiations. Depending on your situation, you might want to look into tax relief options like an Offer in Compromise, but your attorney will guide you on that.
Is there a specific form the IRS uses to collect this financial information? I'm dealing with a different tax issue but also need to show my financial situation.
Yes, the IRS typically uses Form 433-A for individuals or 433-B for businesses to collect financial information when setting up payment plans or considering settlements. It's extremely detailed - asks about all income sources, expenses, assets, and liabilities. They may also request supporting documentation like bank statements and pay stubs. I recommend starting to compile this information early because it can take time to gather everything. Also, be completely honest on these forms - the IRS can verify much of this information, and additional dishonesty at this stage would only make your situation worse.
PLEASE don't admit to fraud directly!!! I made this exact mistake and it turned a simple audit into a criminal investigation. Let your attorney do the talking. The language you use matters enormously. There's a huge difference between "I can't find documentation for these deductions" and "I made up these deductions." One is a documentation problem, the other is admission of a crime. Your attorney will know how to navigate this, but whatever you do, don't contact the auditor before speaking with an attorney, and don't volunteer information about intent. Let the attorney handle all communications - that's literally what you're paying them for.
This is the best advice here. The distinction between poor documentation and intentional fraud is HUGE in the eyes of the IRS and the law. Let your attorney frame the situation appropriately.
Thank you so much for this warning. I definitely would have just blurted everything out in panic if I hadn't read this. I'll make sure to let the attorney handle all communication and not volunteer anything about what I was thinking or intending. I've contacted a tax attorney who specializes in these cases and have an appointment tomorrow morning. I'm going to bring copies of all the audit letters and my previous tax returns. Should I prepare anything else for this first meeting?
My audit for claiming my niece as a dependent took almost 9 months to resolve last year. The IRS is seriously understaffed and overwhelmed. My advice is to keep checking your transcript on the IRS website - sometimes it updates there before you get any official notice. And whatever you do, keep copies of EVERYTHING you send them.
How do you check your transcript? Is that something on the IRS website?
Yes, you can access your tax transcripts through the IRS website by creating an account at irs.gov/account. Once logged in, you can request various transcript types - the "account transcript" is most useful for tracking audit status as it shows all activity on your account. If you're not tech savvy or have trouble with the online verification, you can also request transcripts by mail using Form 4506-T, but obviously that takes longer to receive.
My sister went through an audit for the same thing and had her case resolved in about 4 months, which was faster than they initially told her. The key is calling the examiner directly if you have their contact info on any of the notices. Don't just sit and wait! Sometimes files get stuck at the bottom of someone's pile.
Has anyone used FreeTaxUSA specifically for this? I find their interface less intuitive than TurboTax and I'm worried about messing up my backdoor Roth reporting.
Thanks so much! That's super helpful. One more question - did you have to do anything special to indicate that you made contributions for two different tax years in the same calendar year? That's the part I'm most worried about messing up.
For contributions to different tax years, you report the contribution for the previous tax year on that year's return (so your 2023 contribution would be on your 2023 return), but all conversions go on the return for the year when they actually happened. If you already filed your 2023 return without reporting the contribution, you'll need to amend it. In FreeTaxUSA, go to the "Amend 2023 Return" option from your account page. Then both conversions will be reported on your 2024 return since they both happened in 2024.
Don't mean to hijack the thread but quick question - if I did a backdoor Roth for the first time this year and have never had a trad IRA before, is it as simple as just reporting the contribution and conversion? I keep hearing about pro-rata rules and I'm freaking out.
You're in the ideal situation for a backdoor Roth! With no existing Traditional IRA balances, you don't have to worry about the pro-rata rule. It is indeed as simple as: 1. Report the nondeductible Traditional IRA contribution 2. Report the conversion to Roth Since you have no pre-tax money in any Traditional IRAs, your conversion will be tax-free (except for any earnings between the contribution and conversion). The pro-rata headaches only come into play when you have existing pre-tax money in Traditional IRAs. Consider yourself lucky!
I actually work as a tax preparer and see this all the time. Here are the most common reasons for major discrepancies between software: 1. Self-employment tax calculation differences 2. Retirement contribution credits being missed 3. Child tax credit vs. child and dependent care credit confusion 4. Education credits calculated differently 5. Healthcare premium tax credits 6. One program finding a deduction the other missed In your case with the $3k difference, I'd bet it's related to either self-employment calculations or a major credit being applied in one program but not the other. Try looking at Form 8812 (Child Tax Credit) and Schedule SE (Self-Employment Tax) in both outputs.
This is super helpful! I just checked and you're right - it looks like TurboTax is calculating my Qualified Business Income deduction completely differently than FreeTaxUSA. That seems to be where most of the discrepancy is coming from. Now I just need to figure out which one is correct...
The Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction is a common source of discrepancies! That's Section 199A, and it's fairly complex. The calculation can vary based on your total income, business type, and several other factors. To determine which is correct, check if your taxable income exceeds the threshold ($170,050 for single filers or $340,100 for joint filers in 2022). If you're over that, the calculation gets more complicated with phase-outs and limitations. If you're under, you should generally get a straightforward 20% deduction on your qualified business income. Also verify that both programs are classifying your business correctly - certain service businesses have different QBI rules than others.
Has anyone actually compared the ACTUAL TAX FORMS between the two software? Not just the summaries, but download the actual Form 1040 and all schedules from both and compare them line by line? That's the only way to really see where the difference is coming from. I had a similar issue last year and it turned out one software was putting a business expense on the wrong line, which cascaded into a huge difference in the final calculation.
This is the correct approach. I did this when I had a $1,500 discrepancy between TaxAct and H&R Block. Turned out H&R Block was incorrectly calculating my foreign tax credit. I printed both complete returns with all schedules and went through them with a highlighter. Found the difference on Form 1116.
That's a great suggestion! I just downloaded the PDF versions of the draft returns from both software and started comparing them. There's a huge difference on Schedule 1 - TurboTax is giving me a much larger deduction for my health insurance premiums as a self-employed person. I think FreeTaxUSA might be missing that entirely or calculating it wrong. Now I need to figure out which one is actually correct according to IRS rules!
Mason Stone
Quick question - does anyone know if not filing 2021 taxes will affect my 2024 tax filing that I'm about to do? Will the IRS system flag me when I try to file this year's taxes?
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Kylo Ren
ā¢Filing your 2024 taxes shouldn't be directly affected by your unfiled 2021 return. Each tax year is technically treated separately. The IRS system won't automatically block you from e-filing your 2024 return just because 2021 is missing. However, there can be indirect effects. If you're claiming certain credits or deductions in 2024 that relate to prior year information, there could be verification issues. Additionally, if the IRS has already started sending you notices about your unfiled 2021 return, it's best to address that situation promptly rather than filing a new year while ignoring the past issue.
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Makayla Shoemaker
Anyone else notice that the IRS seems WAY more aggressive about unfiled returns lately? My brother got a scary letter about his unfiled 2020 return even though they actually owed him a refund. Seems like they're doing a big push to get everyone caught up.
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Christian Bierman
ā¢Yeah the IRS got a funding boost recently and they've been upgrading their systems to better track unfiled returns. They're definitely sending more notices out. But I've heard they're still prioritizing high-income non-filers over people who made under $25k. They go where the money is!
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