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Just to add another perspective on Form 8814 - even if you CAN file it, sometimes it's better NOT to. When you add your child's investment income to yours, it gets taxed at YOUR tax rate, which is probably higher than your child's would be. For example, in 2024 the first $1,150 of a child's unearned income is tax-free, and the next $1,150 is taxed at just 10%. So if your daughter has $2,400 in interest, she'd only pay about $115 in taxes if she filed her own return. But if you add that $2,400 to your income and you're in the 22% or 24% bracket, you could end up paying $500+ in taxes on the same amount. Just something to consider before automatically using Form 8814 for convenience!
Good point! I made this exact mistake last year. Claimed my kid's dividend income on my return using Form 8814 and ended up paying WAY more tax than if I'd just helped him file his own return. The convenience cost me about $300 extra in taxes because I'm in the 24% bracket. Definitely worth running the numbers both ways.
This is such a helpful perspective, thank you! I hadn't even thought about the potential tax rate difference. I'm in the 24% bracket, so that would definitely impact the amount we'd pay on her interest income. Maybe the convenience isn't worth it after all. I'll run the numbers both ways before deciding. Really appreciate this insight!
Just a heads up - if your child has an UTMA/UGMA account (which sounds possible given the grandparent setup), make sure you're handling it correctly. Once your child reaches age of majority in your state (18 or 21 depending on state), that account legally belongs to them, not you, even if you're still managing it. The Form 8814 question might be moot if she's over the age of majority in your state because then it's legally her income, not yours to elect to report. Different rules apply for custodial vs. non-custodial accounts, so make sure you know which type of account is generating the interest.
That's a really important point about UTMA/UGMA accounts. I got audited a few years ago because I kept claiming my son's UTMA account income after he turned 18 (age of majority in my state). The IRS was very clear that once he hit 18, that income was his responsibility to report, not mine, regardless of who was managing the account day-to-day. Cost me penalties and interest because I had been doing it wrong for 2 years.
Don't forget about state taxes for your LLC! Federal is only part of the picture. Depending on your state, you might have: - Annual LLC fees (in California they're $800/year - ouch!) - State income tax on your LLC profits - Possible sales tax collection requirements for your jewelry I learned this the hard way with my consulting LLC last year. Got hit with penalties because I didn't realize my state had different filing requirements than federal.
OMG thank you for mentioning this! I completely forgot about state requirements. I'm in Michigan - do you know if they have any special LLC fees I should know about? Also, do I need to collect sales tax on online sales to other states?
Michigan is much more reasonable than California! They have an annual LLC filing fee of just $25 (due February 15th each year). You'll need to file an annual statement to maintain your LLC status. For sales tax, Michigan requires you to collect sales tax on in-state sales. For out-of-state sales, it depends on your sales volume in each state and their specific economic nexus laws. If you're selling through platforms like Etsy or Amazon, they might handle this for you in many states. But if you're selling through your own website, you'll need to research each state's requirements. Generally, if you have less than $100,000 in sales or fewer than 200 transactions in a state, you might be exempt from collecting sales tax there.
Quick tip on tracking expenses for your single member LLC: get a separate business credit card NOW! I mixed personal and business expenses my first year and tax time was a nightmare. Also, if you use your personal vehicle for business (like delivering jewelry or going to craft shows), keep a detailed mileage log. You can deduct 67 cents per mile for 2025 which adds up fast!
Is there a good app you recommend for tracking mileage? I always forget to log my trips for my business.
Just want to add something nobody's mentioned yet. Your sister should check ASAP if annual S-Corp tax returns (Form 1120-S) have been filed properly for all those years. If she's missed filing those returns, the S-Corp election could potentially be terminated, which creates an even bigger mess. Also, most states require annual reports or statements for corporations, sometimes with fees. If those weren't filed, there could be state-level penalties or even administrative dissolution of the corporation. The missing bookkeeping is definitely a problem, but the missed filings could be an even bigger issue with more immediate consequences.
Oh wow, I hadn't even thought about the state filings or the S-Corp election potentially being terminated. She's in California, which I know can be pretty aggressive with business compliance stuff. Would a business attorney be needed alongside an accountant at this point?
California is actually one of the more challenging states for compliance - they have annual franchise tax minimums even for S-Corps with no profit. For California specifically, she'll need to check if the Statement of Information (Form SI-200) has been filed, and whether the $800 minimum franchise tax has been paid each year. At this point, I'd start with a good CPA who specializes in California S-Corps and business tax resolution. They can assess the situation first - a business attorney might be needed later, but accounting issues should be addressed first to understand the full scope of the problem. Most experienced CPAs will have relationships with business attorneys they can bring in if legal issues arise beyond tax compliance.
Something else to consider: How much income are we talking about here? If it's fairly minimal (like under $50k/year), the penalties might be manageable. But if your sister's business has substantial income, the missing "reasonable compensation" could mean significant unpaid payroll taxes. The IRS looks at the nature of the S-Corp's business to determine reasonable salary. If it's a service business where the owner is the primary service provider (like consulting, design, accounting, etc.), they typically expect a higher percentage of income as salary compared to businesses selling products.
This is a really important point. My friend had a similar situation with her graphic design S-Corp and the IRS determined her reasonable salary should have been about 70% of the business profit since she was the only person doing the actual design work. The back payroll taxes and penalties were brutal.
The 28% withholding seems high, but remember that's not just federal income tax. Your total withholding includes: - Federal income tax (probably around 12% in your bracket) - Social Security (6.2%) - Medicare (1.45%) - State income tax (varies by state, but can be 4-6%) - Local/city taxes (if applicable) - Any retirement contributions - Health insurance premiums When you add all that up, 28% total withholding isn't unusual. Your part-time jobs might have withheld less because with lower income, you'd have a lower effective tax rate, and maybe you weren't paying for benefits like health insurance or retirement.
That's a helpful breakdown. I didn't realize all those different taxes added up like that. My state tax is about 5% and I am contributing 3% to the company 401k (they match it). I think there's also a small city tax where I live. But even accounting for all that, when I calculate it out, it still seems like my federal withholding specifically is too high compared to what my actual tax rate should be. I'll definitely check my W-4 like others suggested.
You're on the right track! The 401k contribution is actually helpful tax-wise because it reduces your taxable income, but it does decrease your take-home pay temporarily. The good news is you're getting that company match, which is essentially free money for your future. The combination of your state tax, city tax, FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare), and federal withholding can definitely add up quickly. Definitely check that W-4 form - it's the most common reason for overwithholding. Many people don't realize that the default withholding often assumes you'll be making that same amount for the entire year, which can lead to higher withholding if you haven't worked the full year yet.
Has anyone noticed that when you go from part-time to full-time, your tax rate often jumps dramatically? When I worked 25 hours a week at $16/hr, my withholding was like 15% total. Then I went full-time at the same job and suddenly it was 27%! I think the payroll systems annualize your income and calculate withholding based on what you'd make for a whole year at that rate. So they see full-time and calculate based on a higher annual income bracket.
That's exactly what happens! Payroll systems typically calculate your withholding as if each paycheck represents your normal pay for the entire year. So if you suddenly get a bigger paycheck, the system thinks "oh this person is now in a higher tax bracket" and withholds accordingly. The same thing happens with bonuses or overtime - they get withheld at a higher rate. The good thing is it usually balances out when you file your taxes, and you get the excess back as a refund.
Dylan Wright
Just wanted to add that if your wife's employers aren't doing proper withholding, you might want to make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid penalties. My wife was in the same situation working as a tutor, and we got hit with underpayment penalties the first year. We now just calculate approximately what she'll owe and make payments every quarter through the IRS website. Super easy and prevents the surprise tax bill.
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Zoe Christodoulou
ā¢How do you figure out how much to pay quarterly? Do you just divide what she owed last year by 4, or is there some formula? Also, do you get some kind of receipt you can use when you file?
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Dylan Wright
ā¢You have a few options for calculating quarterly payments. The simplest is to take what she owed last year and divide by 4, which is what we do. As long as you pay 100% of your previous year's tax liability through withholding or estimated payments, you're generally safe from penalties (110% if your income is over $150,000). Yes, you get a confirmation number when you make the payment online, and you should keep those records. When you file your taxes, you'll report these payments on your return (usually on Form 1040-ES). The IRS system will match them up with your account automatically.
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NebulaKnight
Has anyone actually compared filing separately vs jointly in this situation? Sometimes it can be better to file separately if one spouse has certain deductions or income situations.
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Sofia Ramirez
ā¢I did the comparison last year when my husband had 1099 income and I had W-2. For us, filing jointly saved about $1,800 compared to separately. The main reason was that filing separately prevented us from claiming certain credits and deductions. Filing separately is usually only better in very specific situations, like if one spouse has income-based student loan payments, massive medical expenses that wouldn't meet the threshold based on combined income, or if one spouse has tax issues you want to keep separate.
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