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Separate or Joint Filing When Owning Small Carpentry Business? What's Best for Us?

Newly married this year! We're trying to figure out the best way to file taxes for our blended family situation. My husband runs his own carpentry business and has filed as a business owner for a few years. Last year he paid around $1600 in taxes with several itemized deductions for his business expenses. I have four kids (ages 8, 10, 12, and 15) who are all my dependents. In previous years, I've always received a decent tax refund as a single mom. Now we're wondering if we should file jointly or separately for our first married tax return? I know you lose some tax credits when filing married separately, but are there advantages when one spouse has a small business? Does it protect my refund situation from his business taxes at all? Or is joint filing almost always better? Any advice from people who've been in similar situations would be super helpful!

Tax professional here! Generally speaking, filing jointly is almost always more beneficial than filing separately - especially in your situation with children. When you file separately, you lose access to several valuable credits like the Earned Income Credit, Child and Dependent Care Credit, education credits, and the full Child Tax Credit can be affected. These credits are particularly valuable with four dependent children. The misconception that filing separately "protects" one spouse from the other's tax situation isn't quite accurate. Filing separately doesn't necessarily shield you from your husband's business tax situation. In fact, filing jointly often provides more tax benefits that outweigh any perceived protection. With a small business, you actually gain more advantages filing jointly. Your husband can still claim all his legitimate business deductions on Schedule C regardless of filing status, but filing jointly often puts you in a lower overall tax bracket and gives you access to higher deduction thresholds. I'd strongly recommend calculating your taxes both ways before deciding, but I'd be surprised if filing separately worked out better financially.

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So basically there's no real advantage to filing separately for business owners? I always thought it might protect the spouse without the business from any potential audit issues.

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Filing separately doesn't provide audit protection like many people think. The IRS can still examine both returns if they're auditing one spouse's business activities, especially if you live in a community property state. As for advantages, joint filing typically provides lower overall tax rates, higher deduction limits, and access to valuable credits that aren't available when filing separately. In your situation with four children, you'd likely be giving up significant tax benefits by filing separately, which would probably far exceed any perceived advantages.

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As someone who's been filing with a self-employed spouse for years, I'd add another consideration - if your husband's business had any losses this year, filing jointly allows those losses to offset your income, potentially reducing your overall tax bill even more. Also, don't forget about the Qualified Business Income deduction (Section 199A) which can be substantial for small business owners. Filing jointly often gives you a more favorable calculation for this deduction depending on your combined income levels.

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That's a good point about business losses offsetting income! His business actually had a pretty good year, but there were some startup costs for new equipment. How exactly does the Qualified Business Income deduction work? Is that something we'd automatically get when filing jointly?

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The QBI deduction generally gives you a deduction of up to 20% of your qualified business income, which can be significant! It's not automatic though - it has to be calculated on your return. For equipment purchases, those are usually handled through depreciation or Section 179 expensing, which allows you to deduct the full cost of qualifying equipment in the year it's purchased (up to certain limits). These deductions are available regardless of filing status, but when filing jointly, they can help reduce your combined tax liability. The benefit is that these business deductions can offset your income too, potentially putting you in a lower tax bracket together.

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Does anyone know if filing status affects the self-employment tax? My husband pays a lot in SE tax for his construction business and we're trying to figure out if filing jointly or separately makes any difference there.

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Filing status doesn't affect self-employment tax at all. Self-employment tax (15.3% for Social Security and Medicare) is calculated on the Schedule C profit regardless of filing status. But filing jointly might help with your overall tax situation in other ways.

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