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I've prepared partnership returns for 15+ years and can confirm what others have said - rental income should NOT be subject to SE tax, regardless of who's paying the rent. The current preparer is making a fundamental error. One thing to watch for: If there are services being provided along with the rental (like property management), that portion could potentially be ordinary business income. Make sure you're separating pure rental income from any service income when you reclassify.
What about the prior year loss issue? If they reclassify prior years, won't that potentially create passive loss limitations that weren't applied before? Could that actually hurt the partners if they didn't have other passive income in those years?
You raise a valid concern. Reclassifying prior year income/losses from ordinary to rental could trigger passive activity loss limitations that weren't previously applied. If the partners didn't have sufficient passive income from other sources, some losses that were previously deducted might be suspended. This requires a careful analysis of the partners' entire tax situation for those years. The self-rental rule might actually help here - if the rental partnership leases to a business in which the partners materially participate, the rental income might be treated as nonpassive under the self-rental recharacterization rules, which could allow the losses to remain deductible. It's definitely worth running the numbers both ways before amending.
Has anyone dealt with a situation where the partnership owned both a business and rental properties in the same entity? We have a partnership that has both an operating business and owns the building they operate from. Currently showing all income on page 1, but reading this thread makes me think we need to split it up.
You absolutely need to separate those activities. The rental portion should be reported separately from the operating business. There are several ways to handle this, but the simplest is probably to report the business operations on page 1 and the rental activity on Schedule K and the appropriate rental real estate income lines. This ensures the rental income isn't subject to SE tax.
This issue of wealthy audits being closed isn't just about staffing - it's also about priorities. I worked as a revenue agent for 12 years before leaving last year. The real problem is that the complexity of high-net-worth returns requires specialized knowledge that takes years to develop. When experienced agents leave or get reassigned, those cases often get shelved. The public doesn't realize that auditing someone with multiple partnerships, S-corps, trusts, and international holdings can take 2-3 years of work. With the pressure to close cases and meet metrics, managers often decide to accept partial settlements or just close cases rather than reassign them to already overworked agents.
Is it true that the IRS is more likely to audit earned income tax credit claims than millionaires now? I read something about that and it seemed outrageous.
Yes, that's unfortunately accurate. EITC audits are largely automated and can be completed quickly, which makes them an easy target for meeting statistical goals. A revenue agent might complete 50-100 EITC audits in the same time it takes to thoroughly examine one complex high-wealth return. The IRS uses a cost-benefit analysis that looks at "return on investment" for audit hours. While a wealthy taxpayer audit might ultimately recover more money, the hours required are exponentially higher. Combined with the staffing shortages in specialized divisions, this creates a system where lower and middle-income taxpayers face proportionally higher audit rates than they should.
Does anyone know if the IRS is going to address this imbalance in their approach? I read they got additional funding recently - is any of that going towards actually fixing the problem with wealthy taxpayer audits?
Some of the funding is supposed to go toward hiring specialized agents for high-income and business audits, but there's a huge training gap. Even if they hire people now, it takes 2-3 years to get them fully trained on complex audit issues like partnership returns and international tax. Meanwhile, experienced agents are retiring or leaving for private sector jobs that pay 2-3x their government salary.
That makes sense, but it still feels like such a fundamentally unfair system. Really appreciate the explanation! I guess we shouldn't expect this to be fixed anytime soon then.
Another option: you can create an online account with the IRS at irs.gov to access your tax records, including prior year AGI. It takes some time to verify your identity initially, but then you'll always have access to the correct numbers for filing. This saved me a lot of headache after I had a similar situation a couple years ago.
I tried creating an IRS account and they wanted me to verify my identity through ID.me which required uploading my driver's license and doing a video selfie. Is that normal or did I click on something phishy?
That's completely normal. The IRS uses ID.me as their identity verification service. They do require documents like your driver's license and a video selfie to confirm you're really you. It feels intrusive, but it's their official process to protect tax data. The alternative verification methods (like answering questions about your credit history) sometimes don't work for everyone, so the ID verification becomes necessary. Once you get through that initial setup though, accessing your tax records becomes much easier for future filings.
Fyi, if your return is accepted even with the wrong prior year AGI (which sometimes happens), don't worry about fixing it. The prior year AGI is ONLY used for signature verification during e-filing, it doesn't affect your actual tax calculation or refund amount at all.
Wait really? So if it gets accepted anyway, there's no problem? I've been stressing for no reason?
I just went through this with TaxAct too. For interest over $1,500, you do need Schedule B. But here's a tip: switch to FreeTaxUSA. They include Schedule B in their free federal filing. I switched last year when TurboTax tried to upcharge me for the same reason. FreeTaxUSA charged me $0 for federal with Schedule B (just had to pay like $15 for state).
Have you had any issues with FreeTaxUSA? I've used TurboTax for years and I'm nervous about changing. Does it import previous returns or do you have to start from scratch?
I've used it for two years now with no issues. Their interface isn't quite as polished as TurboTax, but it gets the job done perfectly fine. You can't directly import a TurboTax return, but you can use your previous year's PDF to reference information. The learning curve is minimal - takes maybe an extra 15 minutes your first time, but you save $40-90 compared to TurboTax. Their customer service was also surprisingly responsive when I had questions about reporting multiple interest accounts on Schedule B.
Pro tip: don't let tax software upsell you! Schedule B is literally just listing your interest sources. Mine looked like this: Bank Name: $2,200 Total: $2,200 That's it! I used Cash App Taxes (formerly Credit Karma Tax) and paid $0 for both federal and state, including Schedule B. TurboTax is notorious for making simple things seem complicated so they can charge you.
Thanks for posting this! Is Cash App Taxes actually reliable though? I'm always worried about these free services having hidden catches or missing something important.
Lydia Santiago
One thing your friend should be careful about - this kind of job can sometimes be a scam. Make sure it's a legitimate company and that the work is actually what they say it is. I've seen "chat operator" jobs that turned out to be romance scams or worse. If it's legit though, she's definitely a self-employed contractor. She should save around 30% of everything she makes for taxes. That'll cover both income tax and self-employment tax in most cases.
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Romeo Quest
ā¢How would you verify if the company is legitimate? I got offered something similar recently and now I'm worried.
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Lydia Santiago
ā¢Good question! Here are some ways to verify legitimacy: Research the company name + "scam" or "reviews" online. Check for a professional website with proper contact information, physical address, and company registration details. Be suspicious if they have no online presence or very new websites. Look them up on business registries. For UK companies, you can check Companies House (the UK's official company register). If they claim to be a registered business but don't appear in official records, that's a major red flag.
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Val Rossi
I did customer service chat work for a Canadian company last year, similar to your friend's situation. Make sure she's tracking EVERYTHING. I use a simple Google Sheet with: - Date - Hours worked - Number of messages sent - Payment received - Any work-related expenses Trust me, it makes tax time so much easier! And definitely set aside 25-30% of each payment for taxes. I learned this the hard way and got hit with a big tax bill in April :
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Eve Freeman
ā¢Did you have to file any special forms because the company was foreign? I'm starting something similar next month.
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