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Just a warning for anyone doing backdoor Roth contributions: make sure you're not overlooking the pro-rata rule if you have other traditional IRA assets. I got majorly screwed on my taxes because I didn't realize my SEP IRA would affect my backdoor Roth conversion taxes. Had to pay tax on most of the conversion even though I was trying to do a non-taxable backdoor.
What exactly is the pro-rata rule? I've been doing backdoor Roth for 2 years but have an old traditional IRA with about $30k in it. Should I be worried?
Yes, you should definitely be concerned. The pro-rata rule means you can't just convert your non-deductible contributions tax-free if you have other pre-tax IRA money. The IRS looks at all your IRA accounts (traditional, SEP, SIMPLE) as one big pot when you do a conversion. The taxable portion is calculated based on the ratio of pre-tax money to the total IRA balance. So if 80% of your total IRA money is pre-tax, then 80% of any conversion will be taxable regardless of which specific dollars you're converting.
Has anyone used TurboTax for reporting backdoor Roth contributions? I'm finding it super confusing how to enter everything correctly, especially for contributions made for 2023 in early 2024.
TurboTax actually handles this pretty well but it's not obvious. You need to go to the IRA contributions section and make sure you select "nondeductible contributions." It'll then walk you through Form 8606. Just make sure you indicate which tax year the contribution was for. For the conversion, that goes in a separate section under "IRA distributions.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet - your parents should consider whether they expect to be in a lower tax bracket in retirement. If they believe they'll be in the 24% bracket or lower during retirement, then making the SEP contribution now could make sense even if they can't do backdoor Roth later. The traditional advice is: - Contribute to pre-tax accounts when your current tax rate is higher than your expected retirement tax rate - Contribute to Roth accounts when your current tax rate is lower than your expected retirement tax rate If they're already in the 24% bracket moving to 32%+, and expect to withdraw at rates below 24% in retirement, the math might favor taking the tax break now with the SEP contribution, despite the backdoor Roth complications.
That's a good point. They're planning to retire in about 8-10 years, and I think their retirement income will put them around the 22-24% bracket based on their pension and expected 401k/IRA withdrawals. So it sounds like pre-tax contributions still make sense now, especially in 2023 if they're in the 24% bracket. But doesn't that still leave the question of whether to do the SEP for 2023 vs. prioritizing backdoor Roth going forward? The SEP would block backdoor Roth unless we convert it (paying taxes again).
If their retirement tax bracket is expected to be 22-24%, then yes, pre-tax contributions make sense now, especially while they're still in the 24% bracket. For your specific question about 2023 SEP vs. future backdoor Roth, I'd recommend a hybrid approach. Have your dad make a SEP contribution for 2023, but perhaps not the full $12,889. He could contribute just enough to keep him from spilling into a higher bracket. This gives some tax savings now while limiting the amount that would affect future backdoor Roth conversions. Then for 2024 and beyond, focus on maxing out his employer 401k (including any after-tax contributions for mega backdoor Roth) before considering backdoor Roth IRA strategies. The 401k contributions would give him the pre-tax benefit without the pro-rata complications of the SEP.
OP, has your mom considered exactly how much extra income would push them from 24% to 32%? The jump between those brackets is pretty significant (about $190k to $364k for married filing jointly in 2023). If they're right on the edge of the 32% bracket for 2024, the SEP contribution for 2023 actually makes even MORE sense because it could potentially keep them in the 24% bracket next year too. This would be a double win - tax savings for 2023 AND 2024. Also, for what it's worth, I was in a similar situation and ended up converting my SEP IRA to Roth in smaller chunks over several years during periods when my income was temporarily lower (like when I took unpaid leave for a few months).
This is a really good point about being near the bracket edge. Moving from 24% to 32% is an 8% jump which is huge. If a $12,889 SEP contribution could keep them in the lower bracket for 2024, that would save significantly more than just the direct tax benefit on the contribution itself.
That's actually a fantastic point I hadn't considered! They're definitely near the edge of the bracket - I think my mom estimated they'll be about $15-20k over the 24% threshold for 2024 without any additional deductions. So a $12,889 SEP contribution for 2023 wouldn't directly affect 2024 taxes, but it would free up cash they could use for other deductions or opportunities in 2024. I'll definitely bring this up with them - maybe they could increase 401k contributions enough in 2024 to stay in the 24% bracket if they preserve more cash now with the SEP contribution for 2023. Thanks for this perspective!
Former tax preparer here. The confusion about LLCs is really common. Remember: LLC = legal protection only. Your tax situation depends on how many owners and what tax treatment you elect. Single-member LLC = Schedule C (disregarded entity) Multi-member LLC = Partnership return (Form 1065) LLC with S-Corp election = S-Corporation return (Form 1120-S) LLC with C-Corp election = Corporation return (Form 1120) The "magical tax deductions" people talk about are usually either: 1. Normal business deductions you can take regardless of entity type 2. S-Corp strategies to reduce self-employment tax on a portion of income 3. Illegal tax evasion schemes that will get you audited
This is so helpful! So basically if I have a single-member LLC, the IRS treats me exactly the same as if I just had a sole proprietorship? What's the advantage of multi-member then? My wife and I are thinking of starting a business together.
That's right - for tax purposes, a single-member LLC is treated exactly like a sole proprietorship. You file Schedule C with your personal return, and the LLC is completely "invisible" to the IRS. For you and your wife, it depends on your state. In community property states, a husband and wife can elect to treat their LLC as a disregarded entity (essentially a sole proprietorship) instead of a partnership, which simplifies filing. In non-community property states, a husband-wife LLC typically files as a partnership, which means a separate tax return (Form 1065) and Schedule K-1s. The partnership route involves more paperwork but can sometimes offer more flexibility in how income and expenses are allocated between owners.
Does anyone know if i can form an llc for my youtube channel? i make around $4k a month from ads and sponsorships and someone told me i could write off my gaming pc, internet, part of my apartment, and my travel if i form an llc. seems to good to be true but im sick of paying so much in taxes
You actually don't need an LLC to deduct legitimate business expenses. You can deduct the business portion of your computer, internet, home office space, and business travel on Schedule C as a sole proprietor. The LLC won't change what you can deduct - you just need to make sure they're ordinary and necessary expenses for your business.
Another option you have is to just leave the extra payment on your account and apply it to your next estimated tax payment if you make those. I accidentally overpaid by $1,270 last year and just reduced my next quarterly payment by that amount. Saved me the hassle of requesting a refund. The IRS systems will recognize the credit and apply it correctly.
I hadn't thought of that option. Do you know if there's a way to check online to confirm the overpayment is showing as a credit on my account? I'm a bit worried about skipping a future payment without knowing for sure the IRS has properly recorded the extra payment.
Yes, you can check your account on the IRS website. Just go to irs.gov and use the "View Your Account" tool - you'll need to create an account if you don't already have one. It will show your current balance and any credits on your account. I'd recommend waiting about 2-3 weeks after both payments have processed before checking, as it takes some time for everything to show up correctly in their system. If you're planning to use the credit for a quarterly estimated payment, just make sure to check well before that payment is due to confirm everything looks right.
This happened to me too! Frustrating as heck. Everyone's given good advice, but one warning: if your double payment was for 2024 taxes (due April 2025), don't wait too long to request the refund. The IRS can take forever to process these requests. Took me almost 3 months to get my money back, and that was with regular calling to check status.
Did you get any interest on the refund for the time they held your money? Seems like they should pay interest if they're holding onto a clear overpayment for 3 months!
Ava Martinez
Don't forget to look into stepped-up basis rules! If your name wasn't the only one on the deed and your father had partial ownership, his portion would receive a stepped-up basis to the fair market value at his date of death. This could significantly reduce your capital gains tax liability. Also, keep in mind that if you used the home to care for your father, you might qualify for some medical expense deductions if you paid for modifications to the home for medical care (wheelchair ramps, grab bars, etc.). These are deductible as medical expenses if they exceed the 7.5% AGI threshold.
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Amara Oluwaseyi
ā¢That's interesting about the stepped-up basis, but unfortunately the house was solely in my name from the beginning. We never did a joint ownership. However, I did install a wheelchair ramp and some bathroom modifications for him last year. I hadn't even thought about claiming those as medical expenses! Is there a specific form I need to use for that?
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Ava Martinez
ā¢Since the property was solely in your name, you're right that the stepped-up basis wouldn't apply. However, those modifications for your father's care are definitely potential medical expense deductions. You would claim these on Schedule A as itemized deductions under medical expenses. You'll need to keep receipts for the wheelchair ramp and bathroom modifications as supporting documentation. Remember that total medical expenses are only deductible to the extent they exceed 7.5% of your adjusted gross income. If the modifications were substantial, they could help you reach that threshold, especially combined with other medical expenses you may have incurred.
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Miguel Castro
Has anyone used FreeTaxUSA for a situation like this? TurboTax kept confusing me when I tried to enter the sale of my mother-in-law's home that was in our name.
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Zainab Abdulrahman
ā¢I used FreeTaxUSA last year for a similar scenario with my aunt's house. It was actually much clearer than TurboTax for entering the capital gains info. They have a specific section for sale of home where you can indicate it wasn't your primary residence, and then it walks you through calculating your basis and gain or loss. So much cheaper than TurboTax too!
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