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Don't forget you can also file Form 4868 through the IRS Direct Pay system if you're making a payment. Just select "extension" as the reason for payment, and you'll get confirmation that serves as your extension filing. I've done this the last 3 years and it's super simple.
Will this work if I'm not making a payment? I don't think I'll owe anything, but still need the extension to get my paperwork together.
If you don't need to make a payment, then Direct Pay won't work for your situation. In that case, you should use one of the free filing options mentioned above - IRS Free File or one of the tax software programs. Since you don't think you'll owe, just be absolutely certain about that. If you end up owing even a small amount and didn't pay by the regular deadline, you'll face penalties and interest. Many people accidentally underestimate what they owe and get hit with unexpected charges.
Be careful with estimating what you owe when filing the extension. Last year I thought I wouldn't owe anything, filed the extension without payment, and ended up with penalties when I finally filed and discovered I did owe money. The penalties added up to about $240 on a $1,800 tax bill!
This is really good advice. Is there a calculator or something to help estimate if you'll owe? I haven't really kept good records this year.
did u check the IRS2Go app? sometimes it updates before the website. also try checking your transcript on the irs website not just the wheres my refund tool. the transcript might show codes that tell u whats happening even when wmr shows nothing. my brothers return was stuck for like a month and the transcript showed why but wmr just said "still processing".
The transcript trick is legit. Go to irs.gov and search for "Get Transcript Online." You'll need to create an account if you don't have one (they verify your identity with credit report info). Look for the Account Transcript for 2024 once you're in. Check for codes like 846 (refund issued) or 570/971 (hold/notice).
Anybody claiming EITC or Additional Child Tax Credit? Returns with those credits legally can't be issued before mid-February (Feb 15th this year), no matter when you filed. The IRS does this to prevent fraud, but they don't always make it clear when you file. Might explain why nothing is showing up yet.
Have you checked that the account info you provided is correct? My friend's refund was delayed because she mistyped one digit in her direct deposit account number. When she finally called the IRS (after many attempts), they told her the deposit was rejected and they were going to mail a check instead, which added another 3 weeks. Double check your banking details on your return!
I just checked my tax return copy and all my banking info looks correct. I've been using the same account for direct deposits from the IRS for the past 3 tax seasons without issues. The status on the Where's My Refund tool specifically says "refund approved" with the May 3 date, not that there are any problems with the deposit info. Is it possible they're just extra backed up this year? It seems weird that they'd approve it but then wait so long to actually send the money.
Yes, they are definitely more backed up this year than usual. I've been preparing taxes for family members for years, and I've noticed much longer processing times this season. The IRS has been dealing with staffing shortages and outdated computer systems. When they approve a refund but schedule it for weeks later, it's often because they're spreading out the payment processing to manage their workflow. Think of it as them putting you in a payment queue based on various factors including filing date, complexity, and even the amount of the refund.
Has anyone tried requesting a taxpayer advocate? If you're experiencing financial hardship because of the delay (like potential eviction, utility shutoff, medical needs), you might qualify for assistance through the Taxpayer Advocate Service. They can sometimes help expedite refunds in genuine hardship cases.
I tried contacting the Taxpayer Advocate Service last month for a similar issue. Unfortunately, they're also extremely backed up and told me they're only taking the most severe hardship cases right now. They said unless I was facing immediate eviction or had medical treatments I couldn't receive without the money, they couldn't help with "routine" refund delays.
I'm a songwriter with royalties from both streaming and licensing. In my experience, ASCAP and BMI royalties are taxable when they're distributed to you (even if you don't cash the check), while direct licensing royalties follow your distributor's terms. Worth noting that if you're making significant income from royalties, you might need to be making quarterly estimated tax payments. I got hit with a penalty my first year because I didn't realize this!
Thanks for mentioning quarterly payments - I hadn't considered that! How do you determine how much to pay each quarter if your royalty income fluctuates a lot? My streaming numbers can vary wildly month to month.
Calculating quarterly payments with fluctuating royalty income can be tricky. The safest approach is using the "safe harbor" provision - if you pay at least 100% of last year's tax liability (or 110% if your AGI was over $150,000), you won't face penalties even if you end up owing more. For highly variable income, another option is the "annualized income" method where you calculate each quarterly payment based on your actual income for that period. It's more work but more accurate if your income varies significantly throughout the year. I use a spreadsheet to track monthly income and project my quarterly obligations.
Have any other musicians here tried putting these royalties into an LLC or S-Corp to potentially defer some income? I'm just starting to make decent streaming revenue and wondering if changing my business structure might help with tax planning.
An LLC doesn't change the tax timing - it's still reported on your personal return unless you elect S-Corp status. With an S-Corp, you can pay yourself a reasonable salary and take distributions, but royalty income specifically has some complicated rules. I found that out the hard way. You should really talk to an accountant who specializes in entertainment income because the self-employment tax savings could be substantial depending on your income level, but there are costs to maintaining the corporate structure too.
Sofia Hernandez
One option nobody's mentioned - you can adjust your W-4 for the rest of this year to withhold EXTRA to make up for what wasn't withheld before. Won't help with your current tax bill, but might prevent this from happening again next year. Also check if your state taxes were being withheld correctly. If federal wasn't happening, state might have been missed too, which could mean another bill coming.
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AstroAdventurer
ā¢Thanks for the suggestion about adjusting my withholding going forward. Do you know how I would calculate how much extra to withhold to make up for this year's shortfall? And you're right about the state taxes - I need to check those too. I was so shocked by the federal issue that I didn't even think about that.
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Sofia Hernandez
ā¢You can use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on their website - it lets you input how much has been withheld so far and will calculate what you need for the remaining paychecks. Just select that you want a bigger refund and it'll tell you what number to put on your W-4. For your state taxes, each state has different rules, but if they weren't withholding federal, there's a good chance they missed state too, especially if you're in a state that bases its withholding on the federal W-4 form.
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Dmitry Kuznetsov
Are you paid as a W-2 employee or 1099 contractor? This makes a huge difference. If you're a contractor, they don't withhold taxes, and you're supposed to make quarterly estimated payments yourself.
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Ava Thompson
ā¢This is a really good point! OP needs to check their employment status. My neighbor thought she was a regular employee but her company had her classified as a 1099 contractor (incorrectly) and wasn't withholding anything. Led to a huge tax bill and she had to file an SS-8 form with the IRS to get it sorted out.
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