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Yara Khalil

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What you're describing sounds a lot like what tax lawyers call a "round-trip transaction" which the IRS specifically watches for. I'm not a tax professional, but I went through something similar with my rental properties and consulted with a tax attorney. The main issue is that you'd be providing essentially the same services to your properties whether you do it directly or through this foreign company. The IRS will look at this arrangement and ask "what's the business purpose other than tax avoidance?" If there's no substantial business purpose, they're likely to challenge it. Also, the foreign earned income exclusion requires you to be a bona fide resident of a foreign country or physically present outside the US for at least 330 days in a 12-month period. Just forming a company overseas doesn't automatically qualify you.

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Dylan Evans

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Thanks for this perspective. I hadn't considered the "round-trip transaction" angle. If I were to actually relocate and live abroad full-time (which I'm planning to do anyway), would that strengthen the legitimacy of this arrangement at all? Or would the IRS still view the structure itself as problematic regardless of my residency?

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Yara Khalil

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Actually living abroad full-time would certainly help satisfy the physical presence test for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, but it wouldn't necessarily legitimize the overall structure. The IRS would still question why this particular business arrangement is necessary. They'd look at factors like: Does this foreign management company have any employees besides you? Does it manage properties for anyone else? Is the fee structure comparable to what unrelated property management companies charge? Does the company have legitimate business operations in the foreign country?

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Keisha Brown

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You might want to look into IRC Section 962 election instead. It's complicated but allows individuals to be taxed as if they were a domestic corporation on certain foreign income. My CPA recommended this approach for a similar situation, and it's a lot cleaner from a compliance perspective than what you're describing.

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Is that the same as the GILTI tax stuff I keep hearing about with foreign corporations? I thought that made foreign corps less attractive after the 2017 tax law changes.

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Luca Russo

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Don't forget about retirement savings! One of the biggest tax advantages of self-employment is access to a SEP IRA or Solo 401(k) with much higher contribution limits than regular employee accounts. For 2025, you can contribute up to 25% of your net self-employment income (with caps) to these accounts and deduct the full amount from your taxes. This is one of the most powerful ways to reduce your tax bill while also building your retirement savings. Get started now even if you can only contribute a small amount. Future you will thank present you!

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Thanks for mentioning this! I hadn't even thought about retirement accounts. Is one better than the other between SEP IRA and Solo 401(k)? And can I still contribute for 2024 or is it too late?

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Luca Russo

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Solo 401(k) generally allows higher contributions when your income is lower because it has both an "employer" and "employee" contribution component. SEP IRAs are simpler to set up but only allow the "employer" contribution. For 2024 contributions, you can still open and fund both types until your tax filing deadline (including extensions). So if you file for an extension, you could potentially contribute all the way until October 15, 2025 for the 2024 tax year. That gives you plenty of time to figure out exactly how much you can afford to contribute once you know your full 2024 income.

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Nia Harris

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Has anyone used the simplified home office deduction? Is it worth it or should I track all my actual expenses?

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GalaxyGazer

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I've used both methods. For my small apartment office (about 100 sq ft), the simplified method gave me $500 deduction ($5 Ɨ 100). When I calculated actual expenses (rent percentage, utilities, etc.), it came to nearly $2,200! Definitely worth tracking real expenses if your rent/mortgage is high.

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Don't forget you can also file Form 4868 through the IRS Direct Pay system if you're making a payment. Just select "extension" as the reason for payment, and you'll get confirmation that serves as your extension filing. I've done this the last 3 years and it's super simple.

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Will this work if I'm not making a payment? I don't think I'll owe anything, but still need the extension to get my paperwork together.

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If you don't need to make a payment, then Direct Pay won't work for your situation. In that case, you should use one of the free filing options mentioned above - IRS Free File or one of the tax software programs. Since you don't think you'll owe, just be absolutely certain about that. If you end up owing even a small amount and didn't pay by the regular deadline, you'll face penalties and interest. Many people accidentally underestimate what they owe and get hit with unexpected charges.

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Lilly Curtis

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Be careful with estimating what you owe when filing the extension. Last year I thought I wouldn't owe anything, filed the extension without payment, and ended up with penalties when I finally filed and discovered I did owe money. The penalties added up to about $240 on a $1,800 tax bill!

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Leo Simmons

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This is really good advice. Is there a calculator or something to help estimate if you'll owe? I haven't really kept good records this year.

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One option nobody's mentioned - you can adjust your W-4 for the rest of this year to withhold EXTRA to make up for what wasn't withheld before. Won't help with your current tax bill, but might prevent this from happening again next year. Also check if your state taxes were being withheld correctly. If federal wasn't happening, state might have been missed too, which could mean another bill coming.

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Thanks for the suggestion about adjusting my withholding going forward. Do you know how I would calculate how much extra to withhold to make up for this year's shortfall? And you're right about the state taxes - I need to check those too. I was so shocked by the federal issue that I didn't even think about that.

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You can use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on their website - it lets you input how much has been withheld so far and will calculate what you need for the remaining paychecks. Just select that you want a bigger refund and it'll tell you what number to put on your W-4. For your state taxes, each state has different rules, but if they weren't withholding federal, there's a good chance they missed state too, especially if you're in a state that bases its withholding on the federal W-4 form.

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Are you paid as a W-2 employee or 1099 contractor? This makes a huge difference. If you're a contractor, they don't withhold taxes, and you're supposed to make quarterly estimated payments yourself.

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Ava Thompson

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This is a really good point! OP needs to check their employment status. My neighbor thought she was a regular employee but her company had her classified as a 1099 contractor (incorrectly) and wasn't withholding anything. Led to a huge tax bill and she had to file an SS-8 form with the IRS to get it sorted out.

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QuantumQuest

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did u check the IRS2Go app? sometimes it updates before the website. also try checking your transcript on the irs website not just the wheres my refund tool. the transcript might show codes that tell u whats happening even when wmr shows nothing. my brothers return was stuck for like a month and the transcript showed why but wmr just said "still processing".

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Amina Sy

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The transcript trick is legit. Go to irs.gov and search for "Get Transcript Online." You'll need to create an account if you don't have one (they verify your identity with credit report info). Look for the Account Transcript for 2024 once you're in. Check for codes like 846 (refund issued) or 570/971 (hold/notice).

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Anybody claiming EITC or Additional Child Tax Credit? Returns with those credits legally can't be issued before mid-February (Feb 15th this year), no matter when you filed. The IRS does this to prevent fraud, but they don't always make it clear when you file. Might explain why nothing is showing up yet.

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Nope, I'm not claiming either of those. Just a standard return with W-2 income. Thanks for the suggestion though! I'm just going to be patient based on what everyone is saying. Seems like this is pretty normal even though it's frustrating.

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