Is claiming Schedule C losses risky with a high income (37% bracket)?
I started a side hustle as a content creator in 2023, making short-form comedy videos through a single-member LLC. I invested in a computer, phone, and audio equipment hoping to generate ad revenue, but honestly, the views just never materialized. Zero income from this venture. I'm planning to deduct these expenses on my Schedule C, including a dedicated room in my apartment that I use exclusively for filming (home office deduction). I also spent about $1,100 on flights and meals while shooting content in a few different cities. Here's my concern - my day job pays really well (I'm in the 37% tax bracket), and I'm worried this failed business might trigger an audit. If the IRS decides my expenses weren't legitimate business deductions, what exactly am I looking at penalty-wise? From what I've read online, I'd have to pay back the deductions plus a 20% accuracy penalty and like 3-4% interest annually? Is that right? I shut down the LLC in 2024 after accepting it just wasn't going to make money. Just trying to understand my risks here.
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Ethan Wilson
Your situation is actually pretty common! Many people start side businesses that don't immediately turn a profit. The IRS allows businesses to have losses, even for several years, as long as you can show you had a genuine profit motive. The key here is whether your activity qualifies as a business rather than a hobby. For it to be a legitimate business, you need to show you were trying to make a profit, even if you didn't succeed. The fact that you formed an LLC, purchased equipment specifically for the videos, and had a dedicated space shows business intent. For the home office deduction, make sure that room was used exclusively for your business - that's a strict requirement. The travel expenses need to be ordinary and necessary for your business, and meals are limited to 50% deductibility (though temporarily 100% for 2021-2022 restaurant meals).
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Yuki Sato
•What about the 3-year rule? I've heard the IRS expects you to show profit in 3 out of 5 years or they'll classify it as a hobby. Since OP closed the LLC after just 2 years with no profit, wouldn't that be a red flag?
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Ethan Wilson
•The 3-out-of-5 years rule is actually a safe harbor, not a requirement. If you meet it, the IRS presumes profit motive, but not meeting it doesn't automatically make your business a hobby. Many legitimate businesses take longer than 3 years to become profitable. What matters more is how you conducted the activity. Did you keep good records? Did you have a business plan? Did you adjust your approach to improve profitability? Did you have expertise in this area or consult with experts? The IRS looks at these factors when determining if something is a business or hobby.
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Jamal Carter
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Liam O'Donnell
Let me add something that nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're filling out Part IV of Schedule C where you answer questions about material participation and whether you started or acquired this business during the tax year. Many people skip this section, but it's crucial for establishing that this was a legitimate business activity, especially when you're showing losses. Also, consider adding a statement to your return that explains your business plan and why you reasonably anticipated making a profit eventually. This proactive documentation can help if questions come up later.
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Aisha Rahman
•Would you recommend attaching some kind of profit projection or business plan to my return? I did have one when I started, showing how I planned to monetize once I hit certain view thresholds. Just wasn't sure if that would help or draw more attention to the loss.
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Liam O'Donnell
•I wouldn't attach the full business plan to your return as that might actually draw unnecessary attention. Instead, keep it with your tax records in case of an audit. What can be helpful is a brief statement with your return explaining the nature of your business, that you operated with an intent to profit, and mentioning that you have documentation of your business plan and efforts. This shows you're aware of the requirements without overwhelming the initial filing with extra documents.
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Amara Nwosu
Has anyone mentioned the potential impact on your Social Security earnings? If you're offsetting your W2 income with Schedule C losses, it could reduce your Social Security wages and potentially lower your future benefits. Something to consider when claiming significant business losses against high W2 income.
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AstroExplorer
•This is actually a common misconception. Schedule C losses don't reduce your Social Security wages from W2 employment. Your W2 income is still fully reported for Social Security purposes regardless of Schedule C losses. The losses might reduce your overall income tax, but your Social Security contributions and credits remain based on your W2 earnings.
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