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One thing to be super careful about when filling out Form 4852 - make sure you're calculating your Social Security and Medicare taxes correctly. Those are usually 6.2% for Social Security (on the first $168,600 for 2025) and 1.45% for Medicare (on all earnings). I messed this up last year when dealing with a missing W-2 and it caused my return to get flagged for review, which delayed my refund by almost 2 months.

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Nick Kravitz

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Is there a specific place on the tax return where we note that we're using Form 4852 instead of a W-2? Or does just attaching the form take care of that?

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Just attaching the Form 4852 to your return takes care of it - there's no special place you need to note it elsewhere on your return. The form itself has a field where you explain why you're using it instead of the W-2 (missing W-2, incorrect W-2, etc.), which gives the IRS all the information they need.

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Hannah White

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Has anyone used TurboTax with Form 4852? My situation is basically identical to the original poster, but I'm not sure if the tax software will handle this correctly or if I need to file on paper this year.

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Michael Green

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Yes! TurboTax actually handles this pretty well. When you get to the income section, there's an option that says something like "I don't have a W-2" or "My employer didn't give me a W-2." If you select that, it walks you through entering all the information from your paystubs and generates Form 4852 automatically.

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Ana Rusula

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Another option is to use the IRS Online Payment Agreement application. Even if your in-laws don't need a payment plan, going through the process will show them the current amount owed with penalties and interest calculated. You can find it on irs.gov under "Pay" and then "Payment Plans & Installment Agreements.

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Fidel Carson

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Do you need to complete the whole application process to see the current amount, or does it show that information early in the process?

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Ana Rusula

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You'll see the current amount with penalties and interest fairly early in the process, usually on the second or third screen when you've entered your basic information. You don't need to complete the entire application or commit to any payment plan to view this information.

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What tax software did your parents use? With TurboTax, you can actually recalculate the return later and it will update with current penalty and interest estimates. Just go into the account, open the return (don't file again!), and it will show updated amounts.

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Mary Bates

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They used a local tax preparer, not software. That's part of the issue - they just have the paper copies the preparer gave them and aren't tech-savvy enough to navigate online tools themselves. I was hoping there might be a simple way to confirm the current amount without having to call since the phone wait times are so long.

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Sarah Jones

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I worked at one of those tax prep places for two tax seasons, and I'll tell you the secret - they LOVE clients with EIC and child tax credits because they can charge you the "premium" rates even though those forms take like 5 extra minutes to complete. Your return probably took the preparer 30 minutes total. The $571 you paid is basically pure profit. Next year, use the free file options through IRS.gov if your income is under about $73k. Even if you don't qualify for that, software like FreeTaxUSA charges like $15 for federal and state. Don't go back to these predatory places!

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Noah Ali

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Ugh, I feel even worse now knowing they saw me coming! Was there anything specific that made them charge me so much? I thought maybe it was the EIC calculations that were complicated, but you're saying that's actually simple?

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Sarah Jones

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The EIC and child tax credit calculations are completely automated in their software system. It's literally just clicking a few buttons and the computer does all the work. What they did was charge you their "deluxe" or "premium" package rates because you had tax credits. These places train their preparers to identify clients who might have refundable credits because those clients are often less price-sensitive (they're focused on the refund amount, not the preparation fee). They know you're getting a larger refund with those credits, so they take a bigger cut. Next year, remember that your return is actually quite straightforward and any of the major tax software options could handle it for a fraction of the cost.

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I feel your pain! I paid $498 at Liberty Tax for a return that was basically just a W-2 and a 1099 from a side gig. Found out later I could have done it myself for free. The hard truth is tax prep chains make most of their money from people who don't actually need their services but don't realize it.

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Emily Sanjay

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Try Cash App Taxes next year (used to be Credit Karma Tax). Completely free for federal AND state, no income limits or hidden fees. I've used it for 3 years with W-2s, 1099s, and child credits with no issues.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you check if the production company issued you a T5 slip for any income from your investment! If the film made money and you received a distribution, they should have issued this. Also, if you're an Ontario resident, look into the Ontario Film and Television Tax Credit as well. There are provincial programs that might apply alongside the federal considerations.

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No T5 slip yet since the film just hit festivals and hasn't had any commercial distribution. But that's good to know for the future! I am in Ontario - is the provincial credit something I apply for directly or does the production company handle that too?

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The Ontario Film and Television Tax Credit is also handled by the production company, not individual investors. Similar to the federal CPTC, it's designed to incentivize production companies to create content in Ontario. As an investor, your tax benefits come primarily through how you classify your investment and any income it generates. When the film does eventually generate revenue, make sure the production company has your current address to send any T5 slips. For now, you'll just need to report the investment itself as we discussed above. Keep good records of all your investment documentation - if the film becomes commercially successful or if it fails entirely, the tax implications will differ.

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Ethan Wilson

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Has anyone actually tried claiming a loss on a film investment that went nowhere? I invested in two short films in 2020 and neither one ever got completed. I've been carrying the costs forward but wondering if I can just write them off now.

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StarSeeker

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You might be able to claim a capital loss if you can demonstrate that your investment has become worthless. You'd need documentation showing the production has been abandoned or the company has dissolved. Typically, you'd need to file an election under subsection 50(1) of the Income Tax Act to deem the investment disposed of at the end of the tax year. The CRA will want evidence that the investment has no reasonable chance of future value. A letter from the production company stating the project has been abandoned would be helpful.

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Oscar Murphy

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Just a heads up, one thing often overlooked with foreign partners is banking. Most US banks make it extremely difficult to open business accounts with non-US owners who don't have SSNs. I had a nightmare situation with my Irish partner. My suggestion? Look into Mercury or Wise Business. They're more foreign-partner friendly than traditional banks. And get a good operating agreement that specifically addresses how banking will work with international ownership. Also, make sure you understand Form 8805 (foreign partner's information return) and withholding requirements. You might need to withhold taxes from distributions to your Serbian partner and remit them to the IRS, even if Serbia has foreign tax credit provisions.

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That's a really good point about banking. Did you have any issues with payment processors too? We'll be using Stripe and PayPal for most client payments, and I'm wondering if there are any special considerations with a foreign co-owner.

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Oscar Murphy

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Stripe was actually fairly straightforward for us. They required identity verification for both owners, but having a US-registered business with a US bank account made it workable. My foreign partner had to upload his passport and proof of address, but no major hurdles. PayPal was a bit trickier because they wanted a US phone number for verification for both owners. We ended up using my phone for business purposes and adding him as an authorized user rather than setting him up with full owner access. Not ideal, but it worked. Just make sure your operating agreement covers how payment processors are handled so there's no confusion about who has access to what.

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Nora Bennett

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Watch out for global management issues too! Our US-Czech partnership struggled because we didn't think through time zones and work expectations. Draft a CLEAR operating agreement covering: - Working hours expectations - Meeting schedules across time zones - Decision-making protocols - Who handles what clients - How payments are processed - Tax responsibility division Also, get software that works for both of you. We use Slack for communication, Zoom for meetings, QuickBooks for accounting (with separate logins), and DocuSign for contracts so everything is accessible regardless of location. Lastly, I recommend quarterly tax planning meetings with your accountant. International tax situations can change rapidly!

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Ryan Andre

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Do you use any specific tools for managing the partnership agreement and financial distributions? We're setting up with a partner in Malaysia and realized we need better tracking for partner draws and tax withholding.

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