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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - there's a significant income threshold for QBI deductions. If your total taxable income exceeds $170,050 (single) or $340,100 (married filing jointly) for 2025, the deduction starts phasing out for certain businesses. By $220,050 (single) or $440,100 (married), it may be completely eliminated depending on your business type. So even if your rental property qualifies as a trade or business for QBI, you might still be limited based on your total income from all sources.
Thank you for bringing up the income thresholds! My total income will be around $135,000 this year, so it sounds like I'd be under the phaseout range. Is there any difference in how the QBI works for real estate versus other types of businesses? And do you know if having an LLC makes it more likely to qualify?
At $135,000 you're definitely below the threshold, so no phaseout concerns for you. Real estate is treated somewhat differently for QBI purposes - the main distinction is whether your rental activity is considered a "trade or business" or just an investment activity. The LLC structure alone doesn't automatically make your rental qualify for QBI. The IRS looks at the actual substance of what you're doing regardless of how it's structured. That said, having a proper business structure with separate accounts, formal leases, and professional management practices helps support your case that it's a true business. The best approach is to carefully document all time spent on rental activities (by you or contractors), maintain detailed records, and consider electing to group all your rental properties together as a single enterprise if you have multiple properties. This can help you meet the 250-hour requirement more easily.
Has anyone here actually claimed QBI for rentals and been audited? I'm worried that even if I meet all the requirements on paper, the IRS might still challenge it since there seems to be so much gray area.
I claimed QBI for my short-term rentals last year and got a notice from the IRS asking for documentation of my hours. I sent them my activity logs and invoices from contractors, and they accepted it without further questions. The key was having detailed records that showed exactly when work was performed and by whom.
Something else to consider - you might need to make quarterly estimated tax payments going forward. When you're self-employed, you're supposed to pay taxes throughout the year (similar to withholding for W-2 employees). If you wait until tax time to pay everything, you might get hit with underpayment penalties on top of your tax bill. The IRS generally wants you to pay at least 90% of your current year's taxes or 100% of last year's tax liability through estimated payments to avoid penalties. I learned this the hard way my first year freelancing. Got hit with an extra $300 in penalties because I didn't know about quarterly payments. Just something to keep in mind for next year!
Oh no, I had no idea about quarterly payments! How do you even calculate how much to pay each quarter when freelance income is so unpredictable? Do you just guess?
You don't have to guess exactly. The IRS allows you to use the "annualized income installment method" for irregular income. Basically, you calculate your tax based on what you've earned so far in each quarter. Most tax software can help you calculate this, or you can use the IRS Form 1040-ES worksheet. Another approach is to set aside a percentage of each payment you receive (maybe 25-30%) in a separate savings account. Then use that to make your quarterly payments as best you can estimate.
Have you looked into whether you qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC)? At your income level, especially if you have any dependents, this could make a big difference. It's a refundable tax credit designed for lower to moderate income workers. Also, don't forget to check if your state has additional self-employment taxes or potentially tax credits that might help offset some of the federal burden. Some states are much more friendly to small business owners and freelancers than others.
One important thing to mention - make sure you're using the RIGHT 1040-X form! The IRS updates these forms every year, and using an old version can cause delays. For tax year 2024 returns being amended in 2025, make sure you're using the 2024 version of Form 1040-X. Also, if your energy efficiency credits are for home improvements, double-check the manufacturer certifications. The IRS has been extra picky about those lately and will deny credits without proper documentation. I learned this the hard way!
Thanks for pointing this out! How do I know if I have the right certification from the manufacturer? I have receipts for my new heat pump and some documentation that came with it, but not sure if that's enough for the IRS.
The manufacturer documentation needs to explicitly state that the product qualifies for the federal tax credit. It should specifically reference the energy efficiency ratings or certification that make it eligible. Most major manufacturers provide downloadable tax credit certification letters on their websites. For heat pumps specifically, you need documentation showing the SEER2, EER2, and HSPF2 ratings that meet the minimum requirements set by the IRS. The installer should have provided this information, but if not, you can usually find it by searching your model number on the manufacturer's website and looking for their tax credit documentation section.
Just a heads up - I filed a 1040-X last year for energy credits and got a letter requesting more information about halfway through the process. Apparently they wanted more details about the installation costs vs. materials. If you have a contractor invoice, make sure it breaks down labor vs. materials separately!
This happened to me too! They also asked for proof that the installation was completed in the tax year I was claiming. Had to send in the final inspection document from my county building department.
Something important that others haven't mentioned yet: If you do a disqualifying disposition, your employer will probably report the income differently than you might expect. For a disqualifying disposition, the "spread" (difference between exercise price and FMV at exercise) will typically be reported as wages on your W-2. Many people get confused when they see this additional income on their W-2 and don't understand where it came from. If you sell below the FMV from when you exercised, you'll report a capital loss on Schedule D. If you sell above the FMV from when you exercised, you'll report a capital gain. Make sure to keep VERY detailed records of all your transaction dates, prices, and amounts. This has saved me countless headaches when tax time comes around.
How exactly does the employer know you did a disqualifying disposition? I'm confused about the reporting requirements here. Do you have to tell them when you sell the shares?
Your brokerage is required to report transactions back to your employer for ISO shares. When you exercise ISOs, the shares are typically "marked" or tracked in a special way. When you sell them, your employer is notified of the sale and can determine if it was a qualifying or disqualifying disposition based on the holding periods. This is why it's generally not possible to "hide" a disqualifying disposition from your employer. They'll find out and will include the income on your W-2. This coordination happens behind the scenes between your brokerage and your employer's equity administration team.
Simple advice from someone who screwed this up: PLEASE track your cost basis carefully for each batch of ISOs you exercise. I exercised options over several years at different prices, sold some in disqualifying dispositions, held others, and then had a complete mess at tax time. I'd recommend using a spreadsheet to track: - Grant date - Exercise date - Exercise price - FMV on exercise date - Sale date (if applicable) - Sale price (if applicable) - AMT paid (if applicable) Your brokerage statements often don't show the complete picture, especially related to AMT adjustments. I spent nearly 20 hours reconstructing all my transactions when I could have just kept a simple log from the beginning.
This is super helpful! I definitely need to start tracking this better. Do you have a template or example spreadsheet you could share?
I don't have a shareable template, but here's what my tracking columns look like: Grant date | Vest date | # of options | Exercise date | Exercise price | FMV at exercise | Total exercise cost | Exercise spread | AMT paid | Sale date | Sale price | Holding period | Tax treatment (qualified/disqualified) I also include a notes column for things like "partial sale of 50 shares" or "used AMT credit this year for shares exercised in 2023" etc. The most important thing is just to start tracking now before it gets complicated. Even a simple spreadsheet is better than trying to reconstruct everything later from brokerage statements.
Niko Ramsey
One thing no one mentioned yet is that the tax brackets changed slightly from last year to this year due to inflation adjustments. So not only did your income go up (putting you in a higher bracket), but the brackets themselves shifted a bit. When combined with withholding that wasn't properly calculated for your new income, that's why you're seeing this difference.
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Seraphina Delan
ā¢Is there a simple way to check if your withholding is correct? I just started a new job and don't want to be surprised next April.
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Niko Ramsey
ā¢The IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator tool on their website that's pretty straightforward to use. You input your income, filing status, and other tax situations, and it calculates whether your current withholding is appropriate or if you need to adjust your W-4. I'd recommend running this calculator midway through the year to make sure you're on track. It's especially important if you have multiple jobs, a working spouse, or any significant changes in your financial situation during the year.
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Jabari-Jo
This whole system is such a scam. The government knows exactly how much we owe, but they make us figure it out ourselves and then penalize us if we get it wrong. Meanwhile, rich people pay nothing with their fancy accountants finding loopholes. Last year I owed $600 after getting refunds for years and nearly had a heart attack.
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Kristin Frank
ā¢It does seem unnecessarily complicated, but there are some free resources that can help. I've been using the free filing options through the IRS website for years and haven't had any issues. They partner with several tax software companies that offer free filing if your income is below a certain threshold.
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