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Harold Oh

Do foreign owners of C-Corps and S-Corps need to complete and file the BE-12 survey form?

I came across an article recently about something called the BE-12 survey form that apparently foreign owners of U.S. corporations need to fill out. I'm getting confused about the requirements and hoping someone here can clarify. From what I understand, foreign owners who have more than 10% ownership in American startups need to submit this BE-12C form if the company had less than $60M in revenue for the 2022 fiscal year? Is this accurate? I'm trying to help my brother who invested in a small tech startup in Texas last year (he lives in Germany) and now he's wondering if he needs to deal with this paperwork. He owns about 15% of a C-Corp that made around $3M in 2022. Would appreciate any guidance on this!

Amun-Ra Azra

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The BE-12 survey is actually conducted by the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) and is mandatory for businesses with foreign ownership. Based on what you're describing, your brother likely needs to file. The BE-12C form is specifically for U.S. businesses where a foreign person or entity owns 10% or more of the voting interest. With your brother owning 15% of a C-Corp, he falls into this category. The $60M threshold you mentioned is correct - companies with less than $60M in assets, sales, or net income use the BE-12C version of the form. The survey isn't annual - it's conducted every 5 years as a benchmark survey. The most recent survey covered the 2022 fiscal year, and the filing was actually due in 2023. If your brother hasn't filed yet, he should look into doing so soon as there can be penalties for non-compliance.

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Summer Green

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Wait, so is it the foreign person who needs to file the form or the U.S. business itself? I'm a bit lost on who actually has the filing obligation here.

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Amun-Ra Azra

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It's actually the U.S. business entity (the C-Corp in this case) that has the legal obligation to file the BE-12 survey, not the individual foreign investor. The company needs to report information about its foreign ownership structure. The survey collects data about foreign investment in U.S. businesses, so the responsibility falls on the U.S. entity to provide this information to the BEA. Your brother should make sure the company management is aware of this filing requirement.

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Dana Doyle

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Rita Jacobs

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Just to add to what others have said - there's another important detail about the BE-12 survey that might apply to your brother's situation. If the foreign person acquired their ownership interest AFTER the benchmark survey year ended, they might not need to file for that particular survey. For example, if your brother acquired his 15% stake in 2023, after the 2022 benchmark year ended, he wouldn't be subject to the 2022 BE-12 survey requirements. He would, however, need to be included in the next benchmark survey (2027 for fiscal year 2027) or potentially in other BEA surveys in between.

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Harold Oh

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Thanks for pointing this out! My brother actually bought his shares in mid-2021, so it sounds like the 2022 survey period would definitely apply to his investment. Do you know if there's any grace period or process for late filing if he missed the deadline?

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Rita Jacobs

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If your brother bought his shares in mid-2021, then yes, his ownership would need to be reported in the 2022 benchmark survey. Regarding late filing, the BEA does have a process for this. They generally encourage companies to file even if they've missed the deadline. While there are potential civil penalties for failing to file (up to $48,000), the BEA typically works with businesses to get the information rather than immediately imposing fines. Your brother should contact the company and encourage them to file as soon as possible, explaining it's better to file late than not at all. The company can also reach out to the BEA directly to explain the situation and their intention to file.

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Khalid Howes

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Quick question - does anyone know if this BE-12 requirement applies if the foreign investment was made through an LLC rather than directly as an individual? My cousin from Canada set up an LLC in Delaware and then that LLC invested in a US C-Corp. Not sure if that changes anything with these filing requirements.

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Ben Cooper

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From my understanding, the structure you're describing doesn't exempt your cousin from these requirements. The BEA looks at the ultimate beneficial owner when determining foreign investment. If a foreign person owns an LLC that then invests in a C-Corp, the foreign ownership "passes through" the LLC for purposes of the BE-12 survey.

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