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Mei Chen

Tax Filing Question About Form 1120-F for Foreign Corporations

Hey tax experts, I've recently started working as the accounting manager for a Japanese tech company with US operations. We're trying to figure out our IRS filing requirements and I'm confused about Form 1120-F (U.S. Income Tax Return of a Foreign Corporation). Our company opened a small office in California about 8 months ago, generating around $380,000 in US revenue so far. We're structured as a foreign corporation with a branch in the US, not a US subsidiary. I'm trying to understand which parts of Form 1120-F we need to complete, and whether we're eligible for any treaty benefits under the US-Japan tax treaty. The main issue I'm facing is determining if we have "effectively connected income" since we have employees working in the US, but most of our business decisions are still made at the head office in Tokyo. Also, do we need to file Schedule M-3 given our asset size? Has anyone dealt with 1120-F filings for smaller foreign corporations? Our previous accountant left suddenly and I'm trying to make sense of these requirements before the deadline. Thanks in advance for any guidance!

Liam Sullivan

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Form 1120-F can be tricky, especially for newer US operations. Since you have a physical office and employees in California, you almost certainly have "effectively connected income" (ECI). That means you'll need to complete most of Section II of the form. For the treaty benefits question, yes, Japan has a comprehensive tax treaty with the US, but whether you can claim specific benefits depends on your exact business activities. Look at Article 7 (Business Profits) of the US-Japan treaty, which generally allows taxation only on profits attributable to your US permanent establishment. Regarding Schedule M-3, you only need to file it if your total assets at the end of the tax year are $10 million or more, OR your total receipts for the tax year are $35 million or more. Based on your $380,000 revenue figure, you likely don't need to file M-3. I'd recommend gathering documentation showing which activities are performed in the US versus Japan, as the IRS may scrutinize this for foreign corporations. This helps establish which income is effectively connected with US trade or business.

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Amara Okafor

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Thanks for explaining this! So if I understand correctly, having a physical office automatically means we have ECI? Also, what parts of Section II are most important to focus on? The form is huge and some parts don't seem relevant to our situation.

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Liam Sullivan

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Having a physical office doesn't automatically create ECI, but having employees conducting business activities in that office almost certainly does. The key is whether you're engaging in a US trade or business through that office. For Section II, pay particular attention to lines 1-11 (income), lines 12-27 (deductions), and Schedule A (Cost of Goods Sold). Don't skip Section III (Branch Profits Tax) if you're repatriating any earnings back to Japan. Also, be sure to complete Form 8833 if you're claiming any treaty benefits, as this is where you formally disclose your treaty-based positions to the IRS.

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StarSeeker

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Don't forget to check if your Japanese company needs to file Form 5472 along with the 1120-F! It's required for foreign-owned US corporations and disregarded entities, and the penalties for not filing are steep - $25,000 per form. Also, make sure you're tracking any payments between the Japanese parent and US branch correctly. The IRS scrutinizes these transactions for Section 482 transfer pricing compliance. We got hit with this a few years ago with our UK parent company and it was a mess to untangle.

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Mei Chen

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Thanks for bringing up Form 5472! I wasn't even aware of that requirement. Does it apply even though we're a branch and not a US subsidiary? And what kind of documentation do we need for the payments between our Tokyo HQ and California office? We have management fees and some shared IT costs flowing between them.

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StarSeeker

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Yes, Form 5472 requirements apply to branches too - specifically foreign corporations engaged in US trade or business (which you are with your California office). The form is used to report "reportable transactions" between the foreign parent and the US branch/operations. For documentation, you need to maintain records that show the payments are arm's length - meaning they reflect what unrelated parties would charge for similar services or goods. For management fees, create service agreements documenting what specific services are being provided and how the fees are calculated. For shared IT costs, have a reasonable allocation methodology based on users, data usage, or another logical factor. Keep all this documentation for at least 3 years after filing, as these cross-border payments are frequent audit triggers. And don't overlook state filing requirements - California is particularly aggressive about foreign companies with operations there.

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Ava Martinez

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Just to add one more thing - if your company has any Japanese employees working in the California office, don't forget to check their US tax filing requirements too! Depending on their visa status and how long they've been in the US, they might be considered US tax residents under the substantial presence test. We messed this up with our Chinese engineers who were working at our California office, and it created problems for both the company and the employees. The US-Japan tax treaty has provisions about how employment income is taxed, but you need to proactively claim these treaty benefits on the proper forms.

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Miguel Ortiz

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This! Had the same issue with our German employees. Do you know if there's a specific form for the employees to claim the treaty benefits? We ended up with some weird double-taxation issues.

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Sean Flanagan

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As someone who's helped several Japanese companies navigate their initial US tax filings, I'd strongly recommend getting professional help for your first 1120-F filing, especially given the complexity of your situation. However, here are some key points to get you started: 1. **Effectively Connected Income (ECI)**: With employees and a physical office conducting business activities in California, you almost certainly have ECI. This means profits from your US operations will be subject to regular US corporate tax rates. 2. **Treaty Benefits**: The US-Japan tax treaty can provide significant benefits, but you need to be careful about claiming them correctly. Make sure to file Form 8833 to disclose any treaty-based positions you're taking. 3. **Branch Profits Tax**: Don't overlook this! If you're repatriating any earnings back to Japan, you may be subject to an additional 30% branch profits tax (potentially reduced under the treaty). 4. **Documentation**: Start organizing documentation now that shows which activities and decisions are made in the US versus Japan. The IRS loves to scrutinize this for foreign corporations. Given your previous accountant's sudden departure and the approaching deadline, consider hiring a CPA who specializes in international tax. The penalties for getting 1120-F wrong can be substantial, and it's not worth the risk on your first filing.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm definitely leaning toward getting professional help for this first filing. Can you clarify what you mean by "repatriating earnings back to Japan" in the context of branch profits tax? We've been sending some of our US revenue back to Tokyo to cover shared expenses - does that count as repatriation that would trigger the branch profits tax? Also, when you mention organizing documentation for US versus Japan activities, what specific types of records should we be focusing on? We have some email chains and meeting minutes, but I'm not sure what level of detail the IRS expects.

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