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Leslie Parker

Tips for filing Form 1120-F and Form 8833 with the IRS from outside the US?

I run a small but growing business incorporated in Canada, and I've gotten my EIN from the IRS already. Now I need to file Form 1120-F (U.S. Income Tax Return of a Foreign Corporation) along with Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure). The problem is I'm not sure how to actually submit these forms to the IRS from Canada. I don't have electronic filing capabilities set up for these specific forms. What other options do I have for submitting these forms properly? Can I mail them? Is there a specific address I should use? Anyone gone through this process before and can share some insights? I'm worried about missing deadlines and potential penalties if I don't file correctly. Thanks for any help!

Sergio Neal

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Filing Form 1120-F from outside the US is pretty straightforward, but you do need to follow specific procedures. Since you mentioned you don't have electronic access, paper filing is your best option. You'll need to mail your completed Form 1120-F and Form 8833 to: Internal Revenue Service, 1973 Rulon White Blvd., M/S 6063, Ogden, UT 84201. Make sure you're using the current year forms and that everything is filled out correctly and signed. One tip: send it via a trackable mail service (like registered mail through Canada Post) so you have proof of when you submitted it. The deadline for Form 1120-F depends on whether your corporation has a US office or not - corporations without a US office have until the 15th day of the 6th month after the tax year ends.

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If I'm filing this form from Mexico, do I use the same address? Also, does the form need to be notarized before sending?

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Sergio Neal

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Yes, if you're filing from Mexico you'd use the same mailing address in Ogden, Utah. The IRS uses the same processing center for international Form 1120-F submissions regardless of which country they're coming from. No, the forms don't need to be notarized before sending. However, they must be properly signed by an authorized officer of the corporation. Just make sure all required signatures are in place and all supporting schedules and statements are attached before mailing.

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Elin Robinson

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Has anyone tried sending their 1120-F via FedEx or UPS instead of regular mail? I'm worried about regular mail getting lost or delayed, especially going across the border.

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I sent mine via FedEx last year and it worked fine. Just make sure you use the physical street address (1973 Rulon White Blvd, Ogden, UT 84201) and not a PO Box. I kept the tracking number and actually included it in my records in case there was ever a question about when I filed. Cost more but the peace of mind was worth it.

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Beth Ford

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Careful with this approach! If you use a private delivery service, you need to make sure it's on the IRS approved list. Last I checked FedEx and UPS certain services are approved but not all of them. Check the IRS website for "private delivery services" to see the current approved list.

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Does anyone know if we need to include a copy of the Canadian corporate tax return along with the 1120-F? I've heard conflicting things.

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Sergio Neal

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You don't need to include a complete copy of your Canadian corporate tax return with Form 1120-F. However, it's generally recommended to include a balance sheet and income statement that reconciles with your 1120-F reporting. This helps provide context if there's ever a question about your filing. If you're claiming treaty benefits on Form 8833, it's helpful to include documentation supporting your eligibility for those benefits, which might include elements from your Canadian return, but not the entire return itself.

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One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you're using the most current year forms when filing. The IRS updates Form 1120-F and Form 8833 annually, and using an outdated version can cause processing delays or rejection. Also, if this is your first time filing Form 1120-F, double-check whether you need to make estimated tax payments for the following year. Foreign corporations with effectively connected income may need to make quarterly estimated payments, and missing these can result in penalties even if you file your return on time. For the mailing approach, I'd strongly recommend getting a delivery confirmation or using certified mail at minimum. Keep all your mailing receipts and tracking information as proof of timely filing in case there are any questions later.

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Jessica Nolan

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Great point about the estimated tax payments! I completely overlooked this when I filed my first 1120-F last year and got hit with penalties. For anyone reading this - if you expect to owe $500 or more in tax, you generally need to make quarterly estimated payments using Form 1120-W. The due dates are the 15th of the 4th, 6th, 9th, and 12th months of your tax year. Also wanted to add that when mailing internationally, I've found it helpful to include a cover letter with your EIN, the tax year you're filing for, and a brief description of what forms are enclosed. Makes it easier for the IRS processors to handle your submission correctly.

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Chloe Green

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Just wanted to share my experience filing Form 1120-F from the UK last year. I was initially overwhelmed by all the requirements, but here's what worked for me: 1. **Documentation is key** - Beyond the forms themselves, I included a detailed reconciliation statement showing how my UK financial statements tied to the US tax return. This seemed to help with processing. 2. **Treaty position disclosure** - For Form 8833, be very specific about which treaty articles you're relying on. I initially filed a vague disclosure and got a follow-up letter asking for clarification, which delayed everything by months. 3. **Banking considerations** - If you need to make any tax payments, set up your international wire transfer well in advance. My UK bank required additional documentation for US tax payments that took weeks to process. 4. **Keep multiple copies** - I kept photocopies of everything I mailed, plus digital scans. When I had questions later, having exact copies of what I filed was invaluable. The whole process took about 6 weeks from mailing to receiving confirmation of processing. Definitely start early and don't underestimate the time needed for international mail delivery!

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This is really helpful, especially the point about treaty position disclosure! I'm in a similar situation filing from Australia and was wondering - did you have to provide any additional documentation to prove your UK residency for treaty purposes? I'm concerned about whether my Australian incorporation documents and tax residency certificate will be sufficient for claiming benefits under the US-Australia tax treaty. Also, regarding the banking setup, did you end up needing to make estimated payments for the following year, and if so, how did you handle the quarterly payment logistics from the UK?

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