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Has anyone noticed that TurboTax sometimes calculates the underpayment penalty incorrectly? Last year I had a similar situation and when I checked the actual Form 2210 calculations, TurboTax had made an error in how it was applying my estimated payments. It wasn't considering my January 15th payment properly because of how I had entered the date. When I fixed that, the penalty disappeared. Might be worth double-checking the actual calculations for your specific situation.

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LunarEclipse

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I've seen this too. TurboTax sometimes doesn't correctly identify which quarter your payments should apply to, especially if you made them near the quarterly deadlines. I had to manually override which quarter a payment applied to last year.

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There's one more thing to check that might help explain your situation - make sure TurboTax is correctly applying your November 2023 estimated payment to the right tax year. Since you made that payment in November 2023, it should be applied to your 2023 tax return, not 2024. Sometimes people get confused about this timing - estimated payments made in January through December of a given year apply to that year's tax return, even if you're filing the return the following year. So your November 2023 payment should help with your 2023 taxes (the return you're filing now). If TurboTax is somehow applying that payment to 2024 instead, that could explain why you're still seeing an underpayment penalty for 2023. Double-check which tax year that payment is associated with in the software. Also, just to confirm - when you received the inheritance in February 2023, was any of it taxable income? Inheritances themselves are generally not taxable income to the recipient, though any income generated by inherited assets (like interest or dividends) would be taxable.

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This is a great point about checking which tax year the payment is applied to! I just went back into TurboTax and you're absolutely right - it was applying my November 2023 payment correctly to my 2023 return. Regarding the inheritance, you're also spot on. The inheritance itself wasn't taxable, but my uncle had some dividend-paying stocks that I inherited, and those generated about $800 in dividends throughout 2023 after I received them. That's what created the additional tax liability that I was trying to cover with my estimated payment. I think the issue is just the timing like others mentioned - I should have made that estimated payment earlier in the year when I first started receiving the dividend income, rather than waiting until November. Live and learn! At least now I understand the quarterly payment system better for this year's freelance income.

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Isabel Vega

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This is a fascinating discussion on tax reform! As someone who's dealt with the complexity of our current system, I really appreciate the elegance of your flat tax proposal. One aspect I haven't seen discussed much is how this would affect small business owners and self-employed individuals. Currently, we have a lot of business deductions that help offset the higher effective tax rates we face due to self-employment taxes. Under your system, would business expenses still be deductible? Things like equipment, office supplies, travel, etc.? If we eliminate most deductions for simplicity but keep business expenses, that creates an interesting dynamic where business owners might have significantly different effective rates than W-2 employees at the same income level. Also, I'm curious about how this would interact with retirement savings. Would contributions to 401(k)s and IRAs still be deductible, or would those be eliminated too? The current tax-advantaged retirement accounts are a major way people reduce their current tax burden while saving for the future. The more I think about it, the more I realize how many policy goals our current tax system tries to achieve beyond just raising revenue - encouraging retirement savings, homeownership, charitable giving, business investment, etc. Your proposal would essentially be saying we should achieve those goals through other means rather than the tax code.

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Liam Brown

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Great points about business deductions and retirement savings! I think you've hit on one of the biggest challenges with any flat tax proposal - what to do about legitimate business expenses versus personal deductions. Business expenses feel different to me than personal deductions because they're necessary costs of generating income. If we eliminated those, we'd essentially be taxing gross revenue instead of net income, which seems fundamentally unfair. So I'd lean toward keeping business expense deductions while eliminating most personal ones. For retirement savings, this is where the policy goals question you raised becomes really important. The current system of tax-deferred retirement accounts serves a clear public purpose - encouraging people to save for retirement so they're less dependent on Social Security. Maybe we keep those incentives but simplify them? Like a single retirement account type with consistent rules instead of the current maze of 401(k)s, IRAs, Roth IRAs, etc. You're absolutely right that our tax code currently tries to be both a revenue generator and a tool for social engineering. A true flat tax would require us to find other ways to encourage behaviors we want to promote as a society.

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As a tax professional who's worked with clients across all income levels, I think your proposal has merit but would need some refinements to be practical. The biggest issue I see is that eliminating most deductions could create unintended hardships. For example, medical expenses can be catastrophic - a family facing a serious illness shouldn't lose the ability to deduct extraordinary medical costs just for the sake of simplicity. However, I do like the core concept of high standard deductions paired with a flat rate. It would dramatically reduce compliance costs and make tax preparation accessible to almost everyone without professional help. One modification to consider: instead of eliminating ALL deductions, maybe keep a very short list of the most essential ones - medical expenses above a threshold, state and local taxes (capped), and business expenses. This preserves some fairness while maintaining most of the simplicity benefits. Regarding revenue, you could implement this gradually. Start with your proposed structure but adjust the rate and deduction levels based on actual revenue data from the first few years. This would let you fine-tune the system without the political impossibility of getting everything perfect from day one. The administrative savings alone would be enormous - both for taxpayers and the IRS. That has real economic value beyond just the tax rates themselves.

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Has anyone noticed that the calculated taxable amount of Social Security on 1040.com seems off? I entered my SSA-1099SM exactly as shown on the form, but the taxable amount it's calculating seems really high compared to last year, even though my benefits only increased by about $150 monthly.

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Ellie Perry

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Your other income might have increased which affects how much of your Social Security is taxable. The calculation is based on your "combined income" (AGI + nontaxable interest + half of your Social Security benefits). If that total crosses certain thresholds, more of your benefits become taxable.

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NeonNomad

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Just wanted to share my experience for anyone else struggling with this. I had the exact same issue with my SSA-1099SM on 1040.com and found the solution after calling their customer support. The key is that you need to look for "Social Security Benefits (SSA-1099)" specifically, not just general retirement income. In 1040.com, go to Income → Government Benefits → Social Security Benefits. There should be a dropdown that lets you select "SSA-1099SM" as the form type. One thing that tripped me up initially - make sure you're entering the gross benefits amount from Box 5 of your SSA-1099SM, not any of the other boxes. The software will automatically calculate the taxable portion based on your other income. Hope this helps save someone else the headache I went through!

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Thank you so much for this detailed walkthrough! I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure this out. Just to confirm - when you say Box 5 from the SSA-1099SM, that's the "Net Benefits Paid" box, right? I want to make sure I'm looking at the correct box since this new form layout is so confusing compared to previous years. Also, did you have any issues with the software asking for additional verification or documentation when you entered your SSA-1099SM information? I'm worried about triggering any red flags since this is my first year dealing with Social Security benefits on my tax return.

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I went through this exact same situation two years ago! You definitely need to pay quarterly taxes on that income even without the LLC formed yet. The IRS doesn't care about your business structure - they care about the income you're earning. With $3,500 so far this year, you're likely looking at owing around $500-700 in self-employment tax alone (that's the Social Security/Medicare tax at 15.3%), plus regular income tax on top of that. If you expect to make more throughout the year, you could easily hit that $1,000 threshold that triggers the quarterly payment requirement. My advice: don't wait until you form the LLC. Calculate your estimated taxes now using Form 1040-ES and make the payment. You can always adjust future quarters once your LLC is formed. The penalties for underpayment can be way more expensive than just paying a bit extra now to be safe. Also, keep those spreadsheets organized! You'll need them for Schedule C when you file, whether you're still a sole proprietor or have formed the LLC by then.

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This is super helpful, thank you! I'm definitely going to calculate my estimated taxes this week. Quick question though - when you mention the $500-700 in self-employment tax, is that for the entire year or just what I owe so far on the $3,500? I'm trying to figure out if I should base my quarterly payment on what I've earned so far or try to estimate what I'll make for the full year. Also, did you end up having any issues transitioning from sole proprietor to LLC mid-year when you filed your taxes?

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Great question! As someone who's helped many clients through this transition, I want to clarify a few key points that might save you some headaches. First, regarding the $500-700 self-employment tax estimate - that would be roughly what you'd owe for the full year if you only made $3,500 total. But since you're asking about quarterly payments, you need to project your full-year income. If you think you'll make $10,000+ this year, you're looking at significantly higher tax obligations. For quarterly payments, you should estimate your total annual business income, then pay 25% of your expected annual tax liability each quarter. Don't just base it on what you've earned so far - the IRS wants you to pay as you earn throughout the year. Regarding the LLC transition mid-year: it's actually pretty seamless for tax purposes. You'll report all your business income for the entire year on Schedule C, whether it was earned as a sole proprietor or after LLC formation. The LLC formation date doesn't create a tax filing break - it's all one continuous business year on your personal return. One tip: if you're unsure about your projections, it's often safer to pay a bit more in estimated taxes rather than underpay. You'll get any overpayment back as a refund, but underpayment penalties can be costly and annoying to deal with.

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Miguel Ortiz

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4 Has anyone had success calling the IRS to link multiple amended returns after sending them? I mailed two separate amendments three weeks ago and I'm worried they'll be processed out of order.

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Miguel Ortiz

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17 I tried calling about multiple amendments last year but couldn't get through to anyone helpful. When I finally reached someone after multiple attempts, they just told me they had no way to flag or link the returns in their system. This was about 6 months ago though, so maybe things have changed.

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Serene Snow

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11 Based on my experience handling similar situations, I'd recommend mailing them separately and timing it strategically. Send your 2020 amendment first via certified mail, then wait about 2-3 weeks before sending the 2021 amendment. This gives the IRS processing centers a better chance of handling them in the correct sequence. Include a cover letter with each return explaining the relationship between them. For the 2020 return, mention "This amendment establishes capital losses that will carry forward to affect my 2021 tax year." For the 2021 return, state "This amendment depends on capital loss carryovers from my 2020 amended return submitted on [date]." Also consider e-filing if your situation qualifies - it's much faster and creates a clearer electronic trail for the IRS to follow between related returns.

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That's really solid advice about the timing strategy! I hadn't thought about spacing them out by a few weeks. Quick question though - when you mention e-filing amended returns, are there any specific limitations I should know about? I've heard mixed things about which situations actually qualify for electronic filing of 1040X forms.

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