


Ask the community...
You might want to look into the "Tax Benefit Rule" which sometimes allows you to take a deduction in a current year for something that happened in a prior year. It's not exactly what you're asking about, but in some cases it might help. Also, did you ever file an amendment for that 5-year-old return? Even if you're outside the 3-year window for getting a refund, having documentation that you attempted to correct it could help with penalty abatement on the current issue. The IRS sometimes considers your overall compliance history when deciding on penalties.
I never filed an amendment because I didn't realize the mistake until recently when I was going through old tax documents. Would it be worth filing one now even though it's past the 3-year window just to have it on record? Would the Tax Benefit Rule apply to capital gains from a home sale? I'm not super tax-savvy and trying to figure out if I should hire someone to help me fight this.
Filing an amendment now even though it's beyond the refund window could potentially help establish your good faith efforts to comply with tax law. While you won't get the refund, having it documented could support your case if you request penalty abatement for the current issue. The Tax Benefit Rule typically wouldn't apply directly to capital gains from a home sale in your situation. It's more relevant when you take a deduction in one year and then recover that expense in a later year. For your specific case, I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in IRS disputes since there might be other strategies available based on your full tax history.
Has anyone successfully used an Offer in Compromise in this kind of situation? If the IRS is going back 7 years, that original amount plus penalties and interest could be pretty substantial now.
I used OIC last year for a similar situation and got my tax debt reduced by about 70%. But you have to qualify based on your income, assets, and ability to pay. It's not just available because you disagree with the assessment. And you'll need to be current on all your other tax filings to qualify.
Don't feel bad - this is literally the most common mistake for first-time business owners. The tax software takes you through a linear process, so until you get to the expenses section, it looks terrifying! Make sure you're tracking ALL legitimate business expenses: - Cost of goods/inventory - Shipping supplies - Software subscriptions - Advertising/marketing - Website hosting - Payment processing fees - Home office (if you have dedicated space) - Business percentage of internet/phone - Professional services (accountant, lawyer) - Business insurance You'll enter these on Schedule C, and they'll directly reduce your taxable income. The difference between $120k in revenue and maybe $50k in actual taxable profit is HUGE for your tax bill!
Thanks for the detailed list! I didn't realize payment processing fees were deductible - that's actually a significant amount for my business. Is there a good rule of thumb for determining what percentage of my internet and phone to deduct? I use both for business but obviously personal use too.
For internet and phone, you need to determine a reasonable business-use percentage. If you use your cell phone 70% for business and 30% personal, you can deduct 70% of those costs. Just make sure you can justify the percentage if asked. For payment processing fees, absolutely deduct them all! Those PayPal/Stripe/credit card fees add up quickly and are 100% legitimate business expenses. Don't forget the monthly fees plus the per-transaction percentages. Many new business owners miss these, but they can easily add up to thousands of dollars in deductions over a year.
Have you considered hiring a CPA? I know it seems like an unnecessary expense, but when I started my business I tried doing it myself and missed so many deductions. I paid $350 for a CPA who specializes in small business taxes and she saved me over $8,000 in taxes my first year! She knew exactly what was deductible and what wasn't for my industry, plus gave me a system for tracking expenses throughout the year that made the next tax season super easy.
One thing nobody's mentioned is that when your parents formed the LLC, did they elect S-Corporation taxation? Many small business owners switch from Schedule C filing to S-Corp status (which requires forming an entity like an LLC first) to save on self-employment taxes. If they did this, the big difference you're seeing might be because with an S-Corp, your parents should be paying themselves a "reasonable salary" which is subject to payroll taxes, with the remaining profit distributed as "distributions" that aren't subject to self-employment tax. This completely changes how income and expenses flow through to the tax return. Ask your parents if they're filing Form 1120-S rather than Schedule C now. That would explain the major differences you're seeing.
Thank you for this explanation! I just checked and it looks like they ARE filing something called an 1120-S now instead of the Schedule C. So does this mean we're actually making the same amount of money but it just looks different on paper? Could this hurt my chances for need-based scholarships?
Yes, that's exactly what's happening! With an S-Corporation (Form 1120-S), the income gets reported differently even if the actual money coming in is the same. The business income flows through to your parents' personal return on Schedule E rather than Schedule C. This could definitely impact your need-based scholarships because the FAFSA and many scholarship programs look at adjusted gross income. With an S-Corp structure, sometimes more of the business income flows to the personal return because expenses get handled differently. Your parents should talk to their tax preparer about optimizing their S-Corp approach for both tax savings and financial aid purposes. There are legitimate strategies to properly categorize business expenses on the 1120-S that might help reduce the reported income while still following tax laws correctly.
Just to add something nobody mentioned - when your parents switched to an LLC and possibly S-Corp taxation, did they start taking inventory into account differently? This could explain the weird cost of goods sold numbers. With a Schedule C, some small business owners are more casual about inventory tracking. But with an LLC, especially if they've switched to accrual accounting, the timing of when inventory is purchased versus when it's sold can cause huge swings in reported income from year to year.
Just to add another perspective here - I'm a tax preparer who works with a lot of international clients. For your 1040NR IRA recharacterization situation, here's what you need to know: 1. For Form 8606: You'll need to report the recharacterized amount on Part I if you're making nondeductible contributions. Line 1 would include your $938.75 recharacterized amount. 2. For Form 8880 (Saver's Credit): As a 1040NR filer, you may qualify for this if you're not a student and not claimed as a dependent. The credit is based on your income level. 3. For future backdoor Roth: You'll want to do the conversion in a tax year when your income is lower if possible, since you'll pay taxes on the conversion amount. Also, be aware of the pro-rata rule if you have other pre-tax IRA funds. The timing question - I usually recommend clients wait until the new tax year to do a conversion after a recharacterization, just to keep everything clean and separate for reporting purposes.
For the pro-rata rule, does that apply to nonresident aliens the same way? I've heard conflicting things about how 1040NR filers have to calculate this.
Yes, the pro-rata rule applies to nonresident aliens filing 1040NR the same way it does to resident taxpayers. When you convert any portion of a traditional IRA to a Roth IRA, you must consider all your IRA balances collectively (including SEP and SIMPLE IRAs). The calculation is the same: you determine what percentage of your total IRA balance consists of non-deductible contributions, and that same percentage of your conversion will be tax-free. The rest is taxable income in the year of conversion. This is all reported on Form 8606, and the rules don't differ based on residency status.
Has anyone actually completed a recharacterization and then backdoor Roth on a 1040NR? I'm in the exact same situation (came to US late in the year, overcontributed to Roth) and I'm trying to figure out if I should just take the excess contribution penalty instead of going through all this hassle with forms.
I did this last year on my 1040NR. The recharacterization part wasn't too bad - my custodian handled most of it. For the tax forms, I reported the nondeductible contribution on Form 8606. Then about 2 months later, I converted it back to Roth. The following year I had to report the conversion on my tax return. The 6% excess contribution penalty would have been more expensive in my case. Plus, doing the recharacterization followed by conversion taught me how the system works for future years.
Aisha Ali
Has anyone successfully used Form 8863 to combine credits in a more advantageous way? I was reading something about education credits potentially altering the order of operations, but I'm not sure if that applies to the adoption credit situation.
0 coins
Aisha Ali
ā¢Thanks for clearing that up! So there's no way to reorder the credits even with additional forms. That's disappointing but good to know. Do you know if adjusting withholding for next year would help maximize the use of carried-forward adoption credits? I'm trying to ensure we can use as much as possible of the carried forward amount.
0 coins
Sean O'Brien
ā¢Adjusting your withholding won't directly help you use more of the adoption credit, as that doesn't change your actual tax liability - it just changes how much is paid throughout the year versus at filing time. What could help is planning to have more taxable income in future years (if possible) or timing certain deductions differently. For example, you might consider deferring some deductions to a future year when you don't have as many credits, which would leave more tax liability for your adoption credit to offset. A tax professional could help you model different scenarios based on your specific situation to maximize the credit usage over the 5-year carryforward period.
0 coins
Ethan Moore
We faced the same issue two years ago. For us, it was a $4200 difference! What worked for us was filing an amended return where we adjusted some of our itemized deductions to increase our tax liability, which then allowed more of the adoption credit to be used. We worked with a tax professional who specializes in adoption to figure out the best approach.
0 coins
Anastasia Smirnova
ā¢That's really interesting! I hadn't considered filing an amended return. Did you have to provide additional documentation to support the changes? And approximately how long did it take for the amended return to be processed? I'm wondering if this approach might work for us too.
0 coins