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H&R Block quoted me $325 for amending my return with almost this exact issue last year. I ended up going with a local CPA who specialized in retirement accounts instead and paid $275, which I thought was more reasonable given the complexity. If you're comfortable with tax forms, you could potentially do this yourself, but backdoor Roth transactions that involve recharacterizations get complicated quickly. The key is making sure you're tracking your basis correctly across multiple transactions.
Thanks for the price info! Did you find the local CPA was more knowledgeable about this specific issue than H&R Block would have been? I'm torn between convenience and expertise.
Definitely yes - the local CPA had handled several backdoor Roth situations before and immediately knew why my 8606 was rejected. He mentioned that national chains like H&R Block often use preparers who don't specialize in more complex retirement account transactions. The main issue with backdoor Roth conversions involving same-day recharacterizations is that there are specific reporting requirements for the timing and basis calculations. My CPA showed me exactly what went wrong on my original form and how to fix it. Well worth the slightly lower price for someone who dealt with this specific issue regularly.
Just wanted to add that you should absolutely keep copies of EVERYTHING related to this amendment. I had a similar situation with a returned 8606 form, and three years later the IRS sent me a CP2000 notice claiming I owed taxes on the conversion amount because they had no record of my basis. Make sure your amended 8606 clearly shows the nondeductible contribution basis and keep proof of the recharacterization and conversion transactions from your IRA custodian.
To add another perspective, I use a CPA for my business who handles all the e-filing for me. The fee is worth it for peace of mind, especially since tax laws change constantly. My CPA has her own ERO credentials and I never have to think about any of this stuff. Not the cheapest option, but after making a costly mistake trying to DIY my taxes a few years ago, I decided professional help was worth it. Just another option to consider if the whole process is giving you a headache.
What's the ballpark cost for having a CPA handle an 1120S for a small business? My biggest concern with hiring someone is cost since we're pretty straightforward (just retail sales, no crazy deductions or situations).
For my business, which is similar in size to yours (about $280K in revenue), I pay around $1,200 for the 1120S preparation and filing. That includes quarterly check-ins and some basic tax planning. I know that might seem expensive compared to software that costs $150-200, but the CPA found enough legitimate deductions to more than cover her fee. The peace of mind is the biggest benefit though. No stress about making mistakes or missing deadlines. Plus, if there's ever an audit or question from the IRS, she handles all communication. For me, the cost is just another business expense that actually provides real value.
One thing no one's mentioned yet - if you do use software to e-file your 1120S, make sure it's actually authorized for business returns. Not all tax software handles business returns, and even fewer handle corporation returns like 1120S. I learned this the hard way last year when I bought the wrong version of a popular tax software and had to upgrade at the last minute to actually file my S-corp return electronically. Double-check before you buy!
Great point! I use Drake Software for my small business and it handles all the business forms including 1120S. It's less known among casual users but very popular with tax professionals. The interface isn't as pretty as TurboTax but it gets the job done at a reasonable price.
Just wanted to add something important: If you decide to go the guaranteed payment route, remember these payments are subject to self-employment tax for your sister. Make sure she's aware she'll need to make quarterly estimated tax payments on this income. Our LLC does something similar, and we actually gross up the payments to help cover the SE tax burden so our member isn't surprised by a big tax bill.
Can you explain how the "gross up" works? Do you just pay them more to cover the taxes, or is there some specific calculation?
We basically increase the payment amount to account for the roughly 15.3% self-employment tax they'll owe. So if we want them to net $1,000 after SE tax, we'd pay about $1,180 instead. There's no perfect calculation because their actual tax situation depends on all their other income and deductions, but this is a rough approximation that helps prevent surprises. We record the full grossed-up amount as the guaranteed payment on their K-1.
Does anyone know if there are any circumstances when an LLC COULD issue a 1099-NEC to a member? My accountant insists it's possible in certain situations but I'm not convinced.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - check if your state has any tax implications from this too! When I had a similar issue with a retirement distribution, I found out I owed state taxes as well. The IRS notice doesn't address that part, so you might have a separate issue with your state tax agency.
Oh man I hadn't even thought about state taxes. I'm in Virginia - do you know if they handle 401k distributions the same way the feds do?
Virginia generally follows the federal treatment of retirement distributions, so if it's taxable for federal purposes, it will likely be taxable for Virginia as well. However, Virginia has its own deductions and credits that might help offset some of the additional income. I'd recommend checking the Virginia Department of Taxation website or contacting them directly. You might need to file an amended state return as well. Virginia's statute of limitations for tax assessments is generally 3 years, so they could potentially come after you for this even if they haven't yet.
Have you looked into setting up an installment agreement? With a $65k bill, the IRS will almost certainly work with you on a payment plan. You'll still accrue some interest, but it's way better than trying to pay it all at once.
This is good advice. I set up an installment agreement for about $40k a few years ago. Process was actually pretty straightforward online for amounts under $50k, but for $65k you'll probably need to call and talk to someone. They'll ask about your monthly expenses and income to determine what you can pay.
Logan Stewart
Make sure you understand the difference between the regular Child Tax Credit and the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC). Without earned income, you'll only qualify for the refundable ACTC portion, which is up to $1,500 per child for 2022. Also, check if your disability payments are taxable or non-taxable. SSI is non-taxable, while SSDI might be taxable depending on your total income. This affects your overall tax situation.
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Tami Morgan
โขThis is really helpful! So there's a regular Child Tax Credit AND an Additional Child Tax Credit? My disability is SSDI if that matters. Would I still file a tax return even though my SSDI isn't taxable based on my total income amount?
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Logan Stewart
โขYes, there are two parts to the credit. The regular Child Tax Credit is non-refundable (only helps if you owe taxes), while the Additional Child Tax Credit is refundable (you can get it even without owing taxes). You should absolutely file a tax return even if your SSDI isn't taxable! That's the only way to claim the refundable credits you're eligible for. Many people on disability don't file because they don't have taxable income, and they miss out on these refundable credits. For 2022, you could get up to $1,500 per qualifying child through the ACTC.
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Mikayla Brown
Anyone know if this is different for 2023 taxes? Will be in a similar situation.
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Rami Samuels
โขFor 2023, the rules are similar to 2022. The expanded 2021 version (which was fully refundable) has expired. You'll still be able to claim up to $1,500 per qualifying child as a refundable credit through the ACTC, even with only disability income. The total Child Tax Credit remains $2,000 per qualifying child for 2023, with up to $1,500 being refundable through the ACTC.
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