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Need help understanding how taxation works when exercising NSOs in a private company

Hey everyone, I could really use some insight here before talking to a tax professional. Just want to make sure I know what questions to ask (all numbers rounded for simplicity). I've got 5,000 non-qualified stock options at a private company where I work. The exercise price is $0.25 per share, and they're all fully vested. Haven't exercised any yet. Our company's current 409(a) valuation puts each share at around $10.50. The big news is we're expected to IPO at approximately $135 per share within the next 6-8 months. From what I understand, if I exercise today, I'd have to recognize income equal to the difference between what I pay ($1,250 total) and the current FMV ($52,500) - so about $51,250 in taxable income. But if I wait until after the IPO to exercise, would I then have to recognize income on the difference between my exercise price ($1,250) and the IPO price ($675,000)? That would be $673,750 in taxable income! Am I understanding this correctly? If so, it seems like exercising immediately would save me a TON in taxes, right? Any insights would be super appreciated!

You've got the right understanding of how NSOs work tax-wise. When you exercise non-qualified stock options, you're taxed on the spread between your exercise price and the fair market value at the time of exercise - this is treated as ordinary income. If you exercise now, you'll pay taxes on the difference between $0.25/share and the current 409(a) valuation of $10.50/share. This would be reported as compensation income on your W-2, and you'd owe ordinary income tax plus employment taxes (Social Security and Medicare). If you wait until after the IPO when shares are trading at $135, you'd pay taxes on a much larger spread. And yes, exercising pre-IPO could potentially save you significant tax dollars. But there are other considerations too. Do you have the cash available to exercise now and pay the resulting taxes? Also, remember that after exercising, you own actual shares that could go up or down in value, and you might face liquidity issues before the IPO.

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Thanks so much for explaining! Do you know if the company is required to withhold taxes when I exercise, or would I need to handle that myself? Also, once I exercise, how does the eventual sale of shares get taxed - is that considered capital gains from that point forward?

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Your company would typically withhold taxes when you exercise NSOs - they're required to withhold income tax, Social Security, and Medicare on the spread. However, the standard withholding rate might not cover your full tax liability, so you may need to make estimated tax payments or set aside additional funds. Once you've exercised, any further appreciation in the shares would be treated as capital gains. If you hold the shares for more than a year after exercise before selling, that appreciation would be taxed at the lower long-term capital gains rates rather than ordinary income rates.

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I went through something similar last year and found this amazing tool at https://taxr.ai that helped me model different exercise scenarios. It analyzed my NSO documents and showed me the tax impact of exercising at different times - before IPO vs. after, as well as potential capital gains tax on future sales. The tool was really eye-opening because it showed me how much I could save by exercising early, but also highlighted the risks of having illiquid stock. It even helped me understand AMT implications which I hadn't considered. Might be worth checking out before you decide what to do.

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That sounds interesting - does it work for ISOs too or just NSOs? I've got a mix of both and I'm trying to figure out the best exercise strategy without getting killed on taxes.

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Can it help me determine if I should do a Section 83(b) election? I've heard that's important for some stock options but I'm not sure if it applies to NSOs or just restricted stock.

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It absolutely works for ISOs as well as NSOs. One of the most helpful features is that it shows you the AMT implications for ISOs, which was a huge tax surprise for many people I know. It can model mixed grant scenarios to help you plan the optimal exercise strategy. Regarding Section 83(b) elections, yes, the tool addresses those too. While 83(b) elections typically apply to restricted stock awards (RSAs) or restricted stock units (RSUs) with early exercise provisions, the tool explains when they might be relevant to your situation. For standard NSOs, 83(b) elections generally don't apply, but the platform will clarify your specific case based on your grant documents.

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So I tried out taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and wow - it was exactly what I needed! I uploaded my option grant paperwork and it immediately broke down the tax consequences of different exercise timings. The visualization of my potential tax liability pre-IPO versus post-IPO was eye-opening. What really helped was seeing the cash flow analysis that showed not just the taxes, but how much money I'd need on hand to exercise and pay taxes. I realized I needed to start setting aside funds now if I wanted to exercise before our company goes public next year. The recommendation engine suggested a partial exercise strategy I hadn't considered that could significantly reduce my tax hit while managing my risk. Definitely worth checking out if you're trying to make sense of stock option tax scenarios!

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How does Claimyr actually work? Like, are they just getting you through the IRS phone queue somehow? I've been trying to get through to ask about my stock grants for weeks!

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Sounds like BS to me. I've never heard of anyone actually getting useful tax advice from an IRS agent. They usually just read from scripts and won't give specific guidance on complex situations like NSO exercises.

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I'll admit I was totally wrong about Claimyr. After venting my frustration here, I decided to try it myself out of desperation - I needed clarification on how to report an NSO exercise from last year where my W-2 seemed incorrect. Got connected to an IRS agent in about 15 minutes after weeks of failed attempts calling directly. The agent walked me through how Box 12 of my W-2 should reflect the NSO exercise and confirmed my company had reported it incorrectly. They advised me to request a corrected W-2 from my employer rather than filing Form 4852, potentially saving me from an audit trigger. I was genuinely surprised at how helpful and specific they were. Totally worth it for complex tax situations like stock options where proper reporting is critical.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - have you considered exercising in installments? I was in a similar situation and my accountant recommended splitting my exercises across tax years to avoid pushing myself into a higher tax bracket in a single year. Also, watch out for state taxes! I exercised a bunch of options while living in California and got absolutely hammered with state taxes. If you're in a high-tax state, the difference between exercising now vs. post-IPO could be even more dramatic than you calculated.

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That's a really good point about splitting exercises across tax years! Do you know if there are any restrictions on how frequently you can exercise options? And regarding state taxes - yes, I'm in a high-tax state. Did you have any issues with your company's withholding for state taxes on the exercise?

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There aren't typically restrictions on exercise frequency for NSOs - you can usually exercise as often as your company's stock admin system allows. Some companies only process exercises monthly or quarterly though, so check your company's policy. Mine allowed monthly exercises, so I split them across December 2023 and January 2024 to spread the income across two tax years. For state taxes, my company didn't withhold nearly enough. They used the supplemental wage rate for California (10.23%) but the exercise pushed me into a higher bracket. I had to make a large estimated tax payment to avoid an underpayment penalty. Definitely talk to your payroll department ahead of time and consider making an estimated payment right after exercising.

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Don't forget the HOLDING PERIOD issue!! Everyone's talking about the exercise tax hit, but there's also huge tax implications for how long you hold the shares AFTER exercising. If you exercise now and hold for >1 year after IPO before selling, any gains ABOVE the FMV at exercise would be long-term capital gains (15-20% tax). If you exercise at IPO and immediately sell, it's ALL ordinary income (up to 37% federal + state + FICA). This was a game-changer for me - exercised my NSOs 14 months before our IPO, paid taxes on a smaller spread, then got LTCG treatment on the massive post-IPO appreciation.

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This is absolutely correct. I made the mistake of exercising right at our IPO and selling within the year. Ended up paying nearly 45% (combined federal, state, local) in taxes on the full value. A colleague who exercised a year earlier paid ordinary income on the smaller pre-IPO spread, then only 15% on the huge jump from exercise to IPO price. Difference was over $100k in taxes on roughly similar option grants.

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Something I learned the hard way: that 409(a) valuation of $10.50 isn't guaranteed to stay static until IPO! Our company had THREE valuation increases in the 9 months before IPO, with the final one being almost 70% of the eventual IPO price. If your company is gaining momentum toward IPO, the 409(a) valuation will likely increase in the coming months, potentially eliminating some of the tax advantage of exercising early. Maybe consider a partial exercise now to lock in the current valuation for some of your shares? Also, do you know if your company will offer a cashless exercise option at IPO? That's important for your cash flow planning.

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That's a really important point about the 409(a) potentially increasing! I hadn't considered that but it makes total sense as we get closer to IPO. I like the idea of a partial exercise strategy. Regarding cashless exercise - I've heard rumors that we'll have that option at IPO, but nothing confirmed in writing. I should probably ask our finance team about this. Would that essentially mean I could exercise and immediately sell enough shares to cover the exercise cost and taxes?

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Exactly - a cashless exercise at IPO would let you exercise options and immediately sell enough shares to cover both the exercise cost and the resulting tax bill, without needing to come up with cash out of pocket. Very common for IPOs. If that's an option, you might want to hold some options for that route, especially if you're cash-constrained. The tax hit will be higher, but you won't need liquidity. Many people do a mixed approach - exercise some now for tax advantages (if you have the cash), and save some for cashless exercise at IPO to diversify risk. Definitely get confirmation from your finance team though - some companies require you to exercise before IPO to participate in the offering!

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