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Tax implications on Pre-IPO Equity - understanding tax burden when FMV differs from strike price?

Hey tax folks - I'm trying to wrap my head around the tax situation with my pre-IPO equity options. I've got the opportunity to exercise about 12,500 shares at my company with a strike price of $3.20 per share. The current FMV (fair market value) is sitting at $2.40. My company is doing a 409A valuation update in the next few months, and I'm trying to understand the tax implications depending on how the valuation changes. Our household income is around $375k filing jointly. Scenario 1: We exercise all 12,500 shares at $3.20/share when the FMV is $2.40. From what I've read, there's no immediate tax hit since there's no gain (actually a paper loss). When we eventually IPO and sell, I'd just pay regular capital gains tax on the difference between selling price and my $3.20 basis. Scenario 2: We exercise all 12,500 shares at $3.20/share, but the new 409A bumps the FMV to $11.20. I think I'd owe taxes on the "spread" of $8/share ($11.20 - $3.20) multiplied by 12,500 shares even though I'm not actually selling anything on the open market. What confuses me is the tax rate on this spread. And later when I eventually sell at maybe $11.20/share after IPO... am I getting double-taxed somehow? Really hoping someone can help me understand this better. Thanks so much in advance!

The tax treatment for your scenarios is a bit more nuanced than you might think. Let me help clarify: Scenario 1: You're mostly right. When you exercise options with a strike price ($3.20) higher than the FMV ($2.40), there's no immediate taxable event for regular tax purposes. Your basis would be $3.20/share. When you eventually sell after IPO, you'd pay capital gains tax (long-term if held > 1 year after exercise) on the difference between your selling price and $3.20 basis. Scenario 2: Yes, if FMV ($11.20) exceeds your strike price ($3.20), the $8/share difference is considered compensation income and would be reported on your W-2. This would be taxed at your ordinary income rates (which at $375k HHI would be pretty high), plus Medicare and Social Security taxes may apply depending on your option type. Your new basis becomes $11.20/share. When you later sell at $11.20, there would be no additional gain to tax (though if you sell at a higher price, you'd pay capital gains tax on the difference). This isn't "double taxation" - you're being taxed on two separate events: first on compensation income (the spread), then potentially on investment gains if you sell above your new basis. Consider talking to your company about doing an 83(b) election if these are NSOs, or looking into AMT implications if they're ISOs.

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Thanks for the information. If these are ISOs, wouldn't the AMT be a big concern in scenario 2? From what I understand, the $8/share difference would be an AMT adjustment item, potentially triggering significant alternative minimum tax even though there's no regular income tax event. Is there any way to plan for or minimize this AMT hit?

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You're exactly right about ISOs and AMT - this is often the surprise that catches people off guard. With ISOs, the spread at exercise ($8/share in scenario 2) would be an AMT adjustment item, potentially triggering significant AMT even though it's not a regular tax event. For minimizing the AMT impact, there are several strategies: exercise gradually over multiple tax years to spread out the AMT hit, exercise in a year with lower other income, exercise early when FMV is closer to strike price (if possible), or consider exercising in December with a plan to sell qualifying shares in January (AMT in first year, but cash from sale in second year to pay the tax). Also, remember that AMT paid this way generates an AMT credit you can use in future years.

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Does it handle the AMT credit carryforward stuff too? That's what I'm most confused about - I paid a bunch of AMT last year from exercising but don't know how to properly track that credit for future years.

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Something everyone seems to be missing here - if these are ISOs and you're trying to qualify for LONG-TERM capital gains treatment, you need to hold the shares for BOTH: 1) At least 1 year after exercise 2) At least 2 years after the option grant date If you don't meet BOTH holding periods, your gain gets taxed as ordinary income even if they're ISOs. This is called a disqualifying disposition. With pre-IPO companies, people often exercise close to IPO, then get caught by the 6-month lockup period after IPO, and end up selling before they meet the holding requirements. Then they're shocked when the gain is taxed as ordinary income instead of getting favorable LTCG rates.

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Wouldn't the 1 year holding period start from the exercise date though? So if they exercise now and the company doesn't IPO for another year or more (which is likely given current market conditions), they'd meet both conditions as long as it's been 2+ years since grant?

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Yes, the 1-year period starts from exercise date. I was just pointing out that many people mess this up around IPOs specifically. They exercise right before IPO thinking they'll qualify for LTCG rates, but then the combination of lockup periods and stock price volatility after lockup expires often leads them to sell before hitting that 1-year post-exercise mark. You're right that if OP exercises now and the company doesn't IPO for at least a year (and the grant was at least a year ago already), they'd likely meet both conditions. I just wanted to highlight this because it's a very common and expensive mistake I've seen multiple colleagues make.

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Former startup finance person here. One thing that's often overlooked: your company might offer an early exercise option where you can exercise unvested shares. If that's available, you might want to consider it NOW while FMV is BELOW strike price. This has two huge advantages: 1. No AMT issues since there's no spread (actually a paper loss) 2. Your long-term capital gains holding period starts immediately You'd file an 83(b) election within 30 days of exercise. When you eventually sell after IPO, the entire gain from your $3.20 cost basis would be long-term capital gains (assuming held >1yr). The downside is you're putting cash at risk on unvested shares, but if you're bullish on the company and can afford it, this is often the most tax-efficient approach.

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Wow, I hadn't considered this! Our company does offer early exercise. So if I'm understanding right - I could exercise everything now (even unvested shares), file the 83(b), and basically avoid the whole AMT nightmare scenario if the FMV jumps later? What about if I leave the company before shares vest though? I'm guessing the company would repurchase the unvested shares at my original purchase price?

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Exactly right! By exercising early while FMV is below strike price and filing the 83(b) election, you'd lock in your cost basis at $3.20/share with no immediate tax consequences. If the 409A valuation later jumps to $11.20, there's no additional tax event for you since you already own the shares. Yes, typically if you leave before vesting, the company has a right (sometimes obligation) to repurchase unvested shares at your original exercise price. So your downside risk is essentially limited to the cash you put in. The exact terms should be in your stock purchase agreement. Just make sure you understand the vesting acceleration terms in case of acquisition or IPO - some companies accelerate vesting in those scenarios, which could work in your favor. Also double-check that early exercise is still available and what the process looks like. Some companies restrict it during certain periods or require board approval above certain amounts.

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