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QuantumQuest

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - double-check that your FUTA payments were applied to the correct tax periods when you made them through EFTPS. I had an issue where I made back payments but didn't properly designate the tax year, so they applied everything to the current year. This created a whole new headache because the system showed overpayment for the current year and still showed deficiencies for the prior years. Had to call and have them reallocate the payments to the correct periods.

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Nia Thompson

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Thanks for mentioning this! I'll double check my EFTPS payments right away. Did you have to do anything special to get them to reallocate the payments to the correct years?

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QuantumQuest

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You'll need to call the IRS Business Tax line and specifically request a payment transfer. Have your EFTPS confirmation numbers ready along with the dates of the payments and the tax periods they should be applied to. I found it helpful to prepare a simple spreadsheet showing the payment date, amount, confirmation number, and which tax period each payment should apply to. The agent I spoke with appreciated having all the information organized, and it made the process much smoother.

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Just want to add that if you do get hit with penalties and decide to request abatement, make sure to explicitly state whether you're requesting "First Time Abatement" or "Reasonable Cause" relief. They're processed differently by the IRS. First Time Abatement is usually easier to get but only applies if you haven't had penalties in the prior 3 years. Reasonable Cause requires you to demonstrate why you couldn't comply despite using ordinary business care and prudence.

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Mei Zhang

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What's the best way to word a reasonable cause request? My situation was similar but I'm not eligible for first time abatement.

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Zoe Wang

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Don't forget about your state unemployment insurance account! This is commonly overlooked. Even if you never had employees, many states require you to formally close this account or they'll keep generating quarterly filing requirements. In my case

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Is that different from the state tax account? I thought closing my state business tax account would take care of unemployment stuff too.

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Zoe Wang

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Yes, they're completely separate in most states. Your state business tax account is usually with the Department of Revenue or similar agency, while unemployment insurance is typically handled by the Department of Labor or Employment Security. Even with zero employees, many states require you to file a final zero report and specifically request to close the account. Each agency has their own closure process that must be followed separately.

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Grace Durand

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Has anyone dealt with the final LLC tax return when you've been filing as a single-member disregarded entity? My accountant says we just check the "final return" box on Schedule C, but that seems too simple to me.

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Steven Adams

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Your accountant is correct. For a single-member LLC filing as a disregarded entity on Schedule C, checking the "final return" box is the proper way to indicate to the IRS that it's your final filing. Just make sure you're also handling the state dissolution paperwork separately as others have mentioned.

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Have you looked into whether your Dutch investments might qualify for treaty benefits? The US-Netherlands tax treaty has some provisions that could help. For example, certain Dutch investment products might qualify for special treatment that effectively eliminates double taxation. Also check if you qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (Form 2555) as an alternative to the Foreign Tax Credit route. Sometimes that's simpler and might give you a better outcome depending on your specific situation.

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Thanks for mentioning the treaty! I'll look into that. Regarding the FEIE, my accountant originally suggested using Foreign Tax Credits instead because the Dutch tax rates are higher than US rates, so I'd potentially get more benefit from the credits. Does that sound right, or should I reconsider using the FEIE?

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Your accountant's reasoning about FTC vs FEIE is generally sound. When foreign tax rates are higher than US rates, the Foreign Tax Credit usually provides better results since it directly offsets your US tax liability dollar-for-dollar and can generate excess credits to carry forward. However, there's a potential hybrid approach worth considering: use the FEIE for your employment income and then use FTC for your investment income. This sometimes creates a more favorable tax situation, especially when dealing with the basketing limitations. The key advantage is that by excluding your earned income entirely from US taxation with the FEIE, the remaining investment income might fall into lower tax brackets, potentially reducing your overall US tax liability.

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Andre Dupont

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Has anyone successfully used the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures while dealing with this Form 1116 basketing issue? I'm also a dual citizen (US/German) with a similar situation, and I'm worried about making mistakes that might invalidate my streamlined submission.

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Yes, I completed streamlined last year with this exact issue. The key is to be consistent across all three tax years you're filing. Make sure your approach to categorizing income in the different baskets follows the same methodology for each year. In my certification statement (Form 14653), I specifically mentioned that I was uncertain about certain aspects of Form 1116 basketing but had made good faith efforts to comply based on my understanding of the rules. The IRS accepted my submission without any questions.

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My small accounting firm was actually forced to do this last year. It wasn't by choice - we literally couldnt find enough qualified CPAs willing to work during tax season. The "Great Resignation" hit accounting HARD. Some context: CPA exam candidates are down, many experienced CPAs retired early during COVID, and the ones remaining can demand premium salaries that small firms can't match. Most new accounting grads are going to big firms or corporate roles that offer better work-life balance. As for security, reputable firms use encrypted portals and secure data transfer protocols. But you should definitely ask these questions: - Do they have a SOC 2 compliance certification? - What security requirements do they impose on their offshore partners? - Who maintains final review and signing authority on your return?

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Amara Nwosu

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Is there any way as a client to know if the foreign accountants are actually qualified? Like do they have to meet any specific standards or get certified in US tax law?

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There's no single certification requirement for foreign accountants working on US returns. Most reputable accounting firms will have their own training programs and quality control processes. The final tax return must still be reviewed and signed by a US-licensed CPA, which provides some protection. You can ask your accountant about their offshore team's qualifications, training programs, and supervision structure. Find out if they're familiar with US GAAP and current tax laws. Ask how work is reviewed before it reaches you. Good firms typically have multi-layer review processes where work is checked by senior staff before client delivery.

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This is why I switched to doing my own taxes with software! Too many privacy concerns with these big accounting firms now. They charge premium rates but then outsource the actual work to save money. Not cool.

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Not everyone can just switch to DIY tax software though. Some of us have complex situations with businesses, investments, multiple state filings, etc. Tax software can't handle everything, especially if you need actual tax planning advice.

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Just to add some practical advice to this thread - make sure you're using the right forms for your situation. You'll need Schedule C for the business losses, Form 4684 for casualty losses, and Form 5329 for the early distribution from your retirement account. Also, consider if you had this organized as a sole proprietorship or if you set up an LLC/corporation, as that affects how you'll report everything.

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Would it be better to file as a Schedule C business loss or just take the casualty loss directly? Does it make a difference tax-wise? I'm in a sorta similar situation with my small side business.

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You'll definitely want to file Schedule C to report all your business income and expenses, including the equipment that was destroyed. The casualty loss is reported on Form 4684, but since these were business assets, the loss ultimately flows to your Schedule C. Filing the business loss on Schedule C is generally more advantageous than taking a personal casualty loss because personal casualty losses are highly restricted under current tax law (only federally declared disasters qualify). Business casualty losses don't have these same limitations and can offset your other income.

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Dylan Wright

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Has anyone dealt with a similar situation where the business never actually generated any income before the disaster? I've heard the IRS might consider it a hobby rather than a business if you never made any money. Would that change how these losses can be deducted?

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Sofia Torres

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The key difference between a hobby and a business isn't whether you made money yet, but whether you had a reasonable expectation of making a profit and were operating it in a businesslike manner. Plenty of legitimate businesses have losses in their first year or even several years.

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