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Don't forget that if you're due a refund from any of the years you didn't file, you only have 3 years from the original due date to claim it. After that, the money is gone forever. But if you OWE money, there's no time limit for the IRS to collect! Not fair but that's how it works.
I went through this exact same situation about two years ago - four years of unfiled returns with gig work income mixed in. The anxiety was eating me alive until I finally bit the bullet and dealt with it. Here's what I learned: The IRS actually wants to work with you more than you think. I ended up qualifying for First Time Penalty Abatement which wiped out a huge chunk of the penalties. The key is being proactive about fixing it rather than continuing to avoid it. For your income level and situation, you'll likely owe some back taxes but it won't be catastrophic. The failure-to-file penalties are the killer (5% per month up to 25%), but once you get those abated, you're mostly looking at the actual tax owed plus interest. My biggest regret was waiting so long to address it. Every month you wait, more interest accrues. I'd definitely recommend getting professional help - an Enrolled Agent was worth every penny for me. They knew exactly which forms to file and how to minimize the damage. You've got this! It's scary but totally manageable once you start the process.
Going back to the original question - another angle to consider is whether the Section 179 assets themselves might be transferable in some way. When we converted, our tax attorney looked at restructuring some asset ownership before the conversion. Might be worth exploring if any of the assets generating that carryover could be moved to a separate entity that remains a C-Corp, while the main business converts to S status. It's complex and has its own set of issues, but sometimes these hybrid approaches can preserve some benefits.
That's exactly the kind of scenario where a separate entity might make sense. A C-Corp equipment holding company that leases the manufacturing equipment to your S-Corp could potentially utilize those carryovers over time. The key complications to watch for are related-party transaction rules and ensuring the lease arrangements are at market rates. You'd also need to carefully structure this before finalizing the S election to avoid any step-transaction doctrine issues where the IRS might view it as a single transaction designed to circumvent the rules. Definitely something to discuss with a corporate tax attorney who specializes in entity restructuring.
@b930ef9a183c The equipment holding company approach could work well for manufacturing equipment purchased during COVID, especially if you can show legitimate business reasons for the separate entity beyond just preserving the Section 179 carryover. You'll want to document things like risk management, financing flexibility, or operational efficiency as justifications. One thing to be careful about - make sure the lease rates you set between the holding company and your S-Corp are truly at market rates. The IRS scrutinizes related-party transactions heavily, and if they determine the lease payments are artificially inflated to maximize the holding company's ability to use the carryovers, they could challenge the entire structure. Also consider the timing - you mentioned your accountant "just filed" Form 2553. If it's within the revocation window, you might have more flexibility to restructure before the S election becomes effective.
Something nobody has mentioned - check if your state has different rules about carryovers when converting from C to S. Some states don't fully conform to federal treatment of S-Corps and may allow carryover of certain attributes that the federal rules prohibit. For example, California has its own set of rules for S corporations that sometimes differ from federal treatment. Might be worth exploring if your state gives you more flexibility than the federal rules.
This is a really good point. I'm in New York and our state tax department allowed us to use some federal-level carryovers that weren't permitted under federal rules after conversion. The state-level savings helped offset some of the federal loss.
still waiting on mine from 2 weeks ago smh. IRS is playing games fr š¤”
Check if your mailbox is locked or if there's any forwarding issues with your address. Sometimes refund checks get returned to IRS if there's a delivery problem. Also double check the mailing address on your return matches exactly what's on file with USPS. Hope you get it soon!
One thing to consider that nobody's mentioned yet - even if you're treating it as hobby income for federal purposes, collecting and remitting sales tax creates a paper trail. Make sure your hobby vs. business classification is consistent across all your documentation. I've seen people get flagged for audit when they file sales tax as a business but report the income as a hobby on federal returns, or vice versa. The IRS looks at nine factors to determine if something is a hobby or business - including whether you conduct the activity in a businesslike manner, your expertise, time and effort invested, expectation of asset appreciation, success in similar activities, history of income/losses, occasional profits, your financial status, and elements of personal pleasure.
Does registering for a sales tax permit automatically make the IRS consider it a business? My state requires permits for even occasional sales at craft fairs, but I definitely don't make a profit on my quilting hobby.
No, registering for a sales tax permit doesn't automatically make the IRS classify your activity as a business. These are separate systems with different purposes. State sales tax departments are concerned with collecting tax on transactions regardless of profitability, while the IRS is looking at your intent and the nature of the activity. You can have a sales tax permit and still legitimately classify your quilting as a hobby for federal income tax purposes if you meet the hobby criteria (not primarily profit-motivated, occasional sales, etc.). Just be prepared to explain the distinction if asked. Many crafters are in exactly your situation - required to collect sales tax by their state but properly reporting as hobby income federally.
One trick I learned from an accountant friend - keep a separate log for your hobby sales that clearly documents each sale with dates, amounts, and context (like "church fundraiser" or "neighbor request"). This helps establish the occasional/non-commercial nature of the sales if questioned. Also track your expenses separately from any business activities. When my wife started selling her paintings occasionally, we created a simple spreadsheet showing that she was actually spending more on supplies than she was making from sales, which helps support the hobby classification. The key is showing you're not primarily motivated by profit.
This is good advice. Would you recommend keeping physical receipts too or is a digital log enough? I'm trying to minimize paperwork for my spouse's occasional pottery sales.
Digital logs are generally fine for hobby activities, but I'd recommend keeping digital copies of receipts (photos work great) rather than just logging amounts. The IRS accepts digital records as long as they're clear and legible. For pottery supplies especially, having the actual receipt shows what you bought and when - paint, clay, glazes, kiln costs, etc. This creates a stronger paper trail than just writing "supplies - $45" in a spreadsheet. Plus if you ever get questioned about the hobby vs business classification, detailed expense records showing you're spending more than you're earning really helps your case.
Mateo Warren
22 Has anyone used Form 5329 to report and pay the 6% excise tax on excess contributions? I'm wondering if it's better to just pay the penalty for a year rather than going through the hassle of removal if the amount is relatively small.
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Mateo Warren
ā¢15 I've helped clients with this decision before. While paying the 6% penalty might seem easier, remember it applies EACH YEAR the excess contribution remains in the account. So a $6,000 excess contribution would cost $360 the first year, another $360 the next year, and so on. Also, those excess contributions and their earnings will eventually face taxation again when distributed. Generally, it's better to correct the issue completely rather than paying the penalty, especially since the removal process is a one-time effort versus ongoing penalties.
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Savannah Weiner
I went through almost this exact situation two years ago! For the 2022 contribution, you're unfortunately stuck with the return of excess contributions route since the recharacterization deadline has passed. The 6% excise tax will apply for each year it stayed in there, but getting it out now prevents future penalties. For 2023, if you're still within the deadline (including extensions), definitely go with the recharacterization to Traditional IRA followed by the backdoor Roth conversion. Just make sure you understand the pro-rata rule implications if you have other traditional IRA balances. One tip that helped me - when dealing with your custodian, be very specific about what you're requesting. Say "I need to remove excess contributions and earnings for tax year 2022" rather than just asking about "fixing" contributions. The customer service reps are usually better equipped to help when you use the exact terminology. Also, don't be afraid to ask for a supervisor if the first person you talk to seems unsure about the process.
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