Need help understanding how non-qualified stock options (NSOs) are taxed - strike price vs. FMV
Hey tax folks! I've got some stock options in a privately held startup that I'm trying to figure out. For simplicity, let's say I have 12,500 options with a strike price of $0.07. I received these as payment for consulting work I did for them (not as an employee). All options are fully vested already. The company just had a 409a valuation done, and the current FMV is around $8.00 per share. So from what I understand, if I exercise these options now, I'd have to pay taxes on the difference between strike price ($0.07) and current FMV ($8.00), which comes to $7.93 per share. That means I'd pay about $875 to exercise all options but would have to report $99,125 as ordinary income. Ouch. The company is targeting a public offering at approximately $120 per share sometime next year. Here's what I'm confused about: If I wait until after the IPO and do a cashless exercise (where I exercise and immediately sell), will I get hit with taxes TWICE? First on the spread between strike and FMV (potentially $119.93 per share), AND then capital gains on the proceeds? That would be over $1.5 million in taxable income! This seems ridiculous and would make these options almost worthless compared to the tax burden. Am I missing something about how non-qualified stock options work? Thanks for any insights!
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Dmitri Volkov
The good news is you won't be double-taxed on the same income. Here's how it works with non-qualified stock options (NSOs): When you exercise NSOs, you'll pay ordinary income tax on the difference between your strike price and the fair market value at the time of exercise. This is reported on your W-2 or 1099 depending on your relationship with the company. If you wait until after IPO and do a cashless exercise, you'll pay ordinary income tax on the difference between your strike price ($0.07) and the FMV at exercise (let's say $120). This would be $119.93 per share as ordinary income. If you hold the shares after exercise and they continue to appreciate before you sell, only the additional appreciation after exercise would be subject to capital gains tax. In a true cashless exercise, there's typically no additional capital gain since you're selling immediately at the same price used to calculate your ordinary income. The timing of exercise is crucial with NSOs, especially with private companies where valuations can change dramatically. Many people exercise early when valuations are lower to minimize ordinary income tax, but that requires cash upfront and accepting the risk that the shares might become worthless.
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LilMama23
•Thanks for the explanation! So to make sure I understand - if I do a true cashless exercise at IPO, I'd only pay ordinary income tax on the difference between strike price and FMV at that moment ($119.93/share in this example), but since I'm selling immediately, there's no additional capital gains tax? Does the company typically withhold taxes on this spread at the time of cashless exercise, or am I responsible for setting aside enough to cover that tax bill?
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Dmitri Volkov
•You've got it exactly right. With a true cashless exercise at IPO, you're only paying the ordinary income tax on the spread between strike price and FMV at exercise. Since you're selling immediately at that same FMV, there's no additional gain to be taxed. For tax withholding, it depends on your relationship with the company. If you received these as a contractor (1099), the company typically won't withhold taxes - you'd need to set aside funds yourself and possibly make estimated tax payments to avoid penalties. If you were an employee (W-2), the company usually withholds at a supplemental wage rate (22% federal, plus applicable state taxes), but this is often not enough for large gains, so you might still need to set aside additional funds.
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Gabrielle Dubois
After struggling with a similar situation last year, I found this amazing tool at https://taxr.ai that completely saved me from making a costly mistake with my NSOs. Their system analyzed my option grant documents and provided a personalized tax projection showing exactly what I'd owe under different exercise scenarios. What was super helpful was seeing side-by-side comparisons of exercising now versus waiting until IPO, including AMT implications I hadn't even considered. The tool factored in state taxes too, which made a huge difference in my case since I'm in California. I ended up exercising a portion before the valuation increased further and saved over $30k in taxes compared to waiting. Definitely worth checking out if you're trying to optimize the tax impact of those options.
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Tyrone Johnson
•Did it also help you with the 83(b) election stuff? I've heard about filing that with the IRS if you exercise early, but I'm confused about whether that applies to NSOs or just ISOs. Also, can the tool tell you if you'll hit AMT thresholds?
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Ingrid Larsson
•I'm skeptical about these tax tools for specialized situations like NSOs. How accurate was it compared to what you actually ended up owing? I talked to three different CPAs about my options and got three slightly different answers, so I'm curious if an automated tool can really handle all the nuances.
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Gabrielle Dubois
•The tool definitely covered 83(b) elections, though that's primarily beneficial for restricted stock rather than NSOs. For NSOs, an 83(b) election usually doesn't apply since the taxable event happens at exercise, not grant. The tool clearly explained this distinction which helped me avoid filing unnecessary paperwork. Regarding accuracy, I was initially skeptical too, but it was spot-on. The final tax figures matched their projections within 2%. What impressed me was how it handled my specific situation including state tax considerations and AMT calculations. It explicitly showed AMT thresholds and how much of my exercise would trigger it, which let me optimize the timing and amount to exercise.
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Ingrid Larsson
I wanted to follow up after trying taxr.ai that was mentioned earlier. I was really skeptical at first (as you could tell from my comment), but I decided to give it a shot with my RSUs and NSOs situation. Holy crap, what a difference! The tool identified that I could do a partial early exercise this year and stay just under the AMT threshold, then exercise the rest after our planned funding round but before the 409a valuation update. This strategy is projected to save me around $45K in taxes. What impressed me most was how it analyzed my specific grant documents and correctly identified the accelerated vesting clause I had forgotten about. It even factored in my other income and deductions to create a complete tax projection. Seriously wish I had found this before my last exercise decision that cost me a ton in unnecessary taxes.
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Carlos Mendoza
If you're planning to wait until IPO to exercise, you should know that dealing with the IRS regarding the tax implications can be incredibly frustrating. I was in a similar situation last year with pre-IPO options and spent WEEKS trying to reach someone at the IRS who could answer my specific questions about tax treatment and withholding requirements. After multiple failed attempts with hour-long hold times, I discovered https://claimyr.com - they got me connected to an actual IRS agent in less than 20 minutes! You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The agent clarified exactly how my option exercise would be reported and what documentation I needed to maintain in case of audit. Totally worth it considering the amount of tax liability at stake with these options. Just having clear guidance directly from the IRS gave me confidence to make an informed decision.
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Zainab Mahmoud
•Wait, how exactly does this work? I thought it was basically impossible to get through to the IRS these days. Does this service just constantly redial for you or something? I've been trying to get clarity on tax treatment for options I exercised last year and keep hitting dead ends.
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Ava Williams
•This sounds like BS honestly. I don't believe anyone can magically get through to the IRS faster than the rest of us. They're understaffed and overwhelmed, and I doubt some third-party service has a secret backdoor. Plus, wouldn't you still be talking to the same overworked IRS agents who might give inconsistent advice?
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Carlos Mendoza
•It's not constant redialing - they actually use what they call "priority connection technology" that navigates the IRS phone system optimally. I was skeptical too until I tried it. You get a text when your place in line is coming up so you don't have to stay on hold the whole time. The value isn't just in getting through faster - it's the time you save. I calculated that between the research I was doing and my failed attempts to call, I had already spent about 7 hours getting nowhere. The IRS agent I spoke with was surprisingly helpful once I actually got connected, and being able to ask follow-up questions specific to my option situation made all the difference in understanding my tax obligations correctly.
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Ava Williams
I need to eat crow on this one. After my skeptical comment about Claimyr, I was still desperate to get an answer about my NSO exercise from last year that my accountant couldn't resolve. Against my better judgment, I tried the service. Got connected to an IRS agent in about 15 minutes yesterday afternoon after waiting on hold for 2+ hours earlier in the week with nothing to show for it. The agent walked me through exactly how to report my option exercise that spanned two tax years and confirmed I didn't need to file an amended return (which my accountant was pushing for). Turns out there was a specific form I needed to attach to show the cost basis calculation that would have prevented potential issues down the road. Never would have known this without speaking directly to someone who deals with these edge cases regularly. Still don't understand how they get through so quickly, but I'm not complaining anymore.
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Raj Gupta
One thing no one has mentioned yet - you really need to check the expiration date on those options. Most NSOs have a 10-year term, but some companies use shorter periods especially for contractors. If they're getting close to expiration, that might force your hand on timing regardless of the tax implications. Also, consider the lockup period after IPO - typically 180 days where you can't sell even if the company is public. If you wait until post-IPO but the market tanks during your lockup, you could be stuck with a massive tax bill on paper gains that disappeared. I exercised half my options about 18 months before our IPO when the 409a was still reasonable, then did cashless exercise on the rest after lockup. Diversification saved me when our stock dropped 40% three months after going public.
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LilMama23
•Good points! I checked and my options have an 8-year term, so I still have about 5 years left before expiration. Question about your strategy - when you exercised early, did you have to come up with both the exercise cost AND the cash to pay taxes on the spread? That's what's holding me back from exercising now - I'd need to find around $30k to cover the taxes even though the exercise cost itself is relatively small.
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Raj Gupta
•Yes, that's exactly the challenge with early exercise - you need cash for both the exercise price and the taxes on the paper gain. In my case, I actually took out a personal loan to cover it because I was confident in the company's trajectory. It was stressful carrying that debt, but mathematically it worked out well. If cash is tight, another approach is to exercise just enough options each year to "use up" your lower tax brackets without pushing yourself into higher ones. This dollar-cost-averages your tax burden over several years. Some people also exercise in January to maximize the time until tax payment is due (the following April).
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Lena Müller
Has anyone considered the alternative minimum tax (AMT) implications here? When I exercised my ISOs a few years ago, I got absolutely destroyed by AMT because the paper gains pushed me over the threshold. I know NSOs are different since you pay ordinary income tax upfront rather than AMT, but the large income spike from a single exercise could still trigger other tax issues like phase-outs of deductions or credits.
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TechNinja
•AMT usually hits harder with ISOs than NSOs. With NSOs, you're paying ordinary income tax on the spread at exercise, which actually counts toward your regular tax and AMT equally. But you're right about the income spike - it can push you into higher brackets and phase out other benefits. One strategy I've seen is exercising across December/January to split the income between two tax years. Just be super careful about properly documenting the FMV at each exercise date since you're dealing with a private company valuation.
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Angelina Farar
Another consideration worth mentioning - check if your option agreement has any restrictions on early exercise or transfer. Some private companies include provisions that let them repurchase your shares at cost if you leave the company within a certain period after exercise, which could wipe out the tax benefit you're trying to capture. Also, with a 409a valuation at $8 and projected IPO at $120, there's significant appreciation still expected. You might want to model out different scenarios - what if the IPO gets delayed or the valuation comes in lower than expected? The tax optimization has to be balanced against execution risk. One middle-ground approach: exercise enough options now to establish some cost basis at the current $8 valuation, then use cashless exercise for the remainder at IPO. This gives you some tax efficiency while limiting your cash outlay and risk exposure.
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