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How are Private Stock Options from Secondary Sale Taxed? ISO Plan Question

I've been doing my own taxes for years but I'm completely stuck on this one. I had the chance to participate in a secondary sale of private stock options to one of our company's investors, and I have no clue how to report this correctly. I received a copy of Form 3921 that my employer filed with the IRS, but no 1099-B for the proceeds from the sale. The conflicting info I'm finding online is driving me crazy. Here are the details (numbers changed but proportions are the same): Strike price: $0.35 FMV: $2.75 Exercise date: 2/15/2023 Number of shares: 3,800 Exercise amount: $1,330 Sale date: 4/18/2023 Sale price: $5.25 Number of shares: 3,800 Proceeds: $19,950 Fees: -$620 Net: $19,330 I need to figure out what exactly is taxable here. Is it: a) Net - (FMV × Shares) = $19,330 - ($2.75 × 3,800) = $8,880 OR b) Net - (Strike price × Shares) = $19,330 - ($0.35 × 3,800) = $18,000 This is part of an ISO plan in a private company (not publicly traded). The options were granted back in 2019 and are fully vested. My W2 doesn't show any adjustments for this - the compensation and tax withholding numbers don't reflect the exercise at all. Can someone please help me sort this out? I'm completely lost.

For ISO (Incentive Stock Options) in a private company with a secondary sale, you've got a two-part tax calculation. When you exercised the options, you created a potential AMT adjustment (not regular income) equal to the difference between FMV at exercise and your strike price. That's $2.75 - $0.35 = $2.40 per share × 3,800 shares = $9,120. This might trigger AMT depending on your overall tax situation, but doesn't show up on your W2. For the sale itself, since you sold the shares in the same year you exercised, you're looking at option b in your calculation. Your capital gain is the difference between your net proceeds and your cost basis (strike price × shares): $19,330 - $1,330 = $18,000. This gain would be reported on Schedule D and Form 8949. The reason it's not calculation a is because you never actually "owned" the shares at the FMV price - your actual cost was the strike price you paid.

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Thank you for this explanation! So if I understand correctly, I need to report the $18,000 as a capital gain on Schedule D and Form 8949. But I'm confused about the AMT part. Do I need to do something with that $9,120 figure or is that only relevant if I held the shares longer? Also, how do I code this on Form 8949? I wasn't sure if it should be coded as covered or non-covered since I didn't get a 1099-B.

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You'll need to calculate AMT regardless of holding period - the $9,120 gets reported on Form 6251 as an adjustment. Even though you sold in the same year, the AMT adjustment still applies at exercise. But the good news is this becomes an AMT credit you can potentially use in future years. For Form 8949, you'll mark these as non-covered securities (the broker didn't report basis to the IRS) with Code X. You'll need to enter all the details manually, including your exercise date as the acquisition date, strike price as your basis, and the net proceeds from the sale.

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I went through this last year with my private company ISO plan. Make sure you also check if there were any state tax implications. In California, for example, the AMT calculation is different from the federal one for ISOs. Also, don't forget about the fees you paid! Those $620 in fees should be added to your cost basis when calculating your gain. So your gain would actually be $19,330 - ($1,330 + $620) = $17,380. Everyone always forgets to account for the fees.

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That's a great point about the fees! I didn't realize I could add those to my cost basis. And thanks for the reminder about state taxes - I'm in Illinois and haven't even thought about how they might treat this differently. So if I include the fees in my basis, the capital gain would be $17,380 as you calculated. That would save me some tax compared to reporting the full $18,000!

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Illinois follows federal treatment for the most part, but double-check if they have any AMT differences. The fees make a real difference in your case - whenever you're dealing with stock sales, always incorporate the transaction costs into your basis. Be sure to keep all your documentation from the sale and the Form 3921 for at least 7 years. ISO transactions are a common audit trigger because they're often reported incorrectly. Having clear records of how you calculated everything will save you headaches if questions ever come up.

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Just to add my experience - I faced this exact situation with ISOs from a private company secondary sale. One thing nobody mentioned yet is that if your company gets acquired or goes public in the future, keeping track of your AMT credits becomes super important. I had a $14k AMT credit from a previous ISO exercise that I was able to claim when our company went public years later. Make sure you file Form 8801 each year to carry forward any AMT credit you can't use immediately.

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Do you know if TurboTax handles the AMT credit tracking properly? I've heard horror stories about people losing track of their AMT credits and never getting to use them.

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