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I'm a little late to this thread, but I wanted to add something important - there's a statute of limitations on requesting penalty abatement. You generally need to do it within 2-3 years of the penalty assessment. So definitely don't wait around if you're considering challenging this. Also, make sure you're working with the correct IRS department. Partnership penalties should be addressed to the "Pass-Through Entity" division, not just the general IRS address. This can speed up processing significantly.
Thanks for this info! Do you know if there's a specific form I should use for the abatement request? I've seen some mentions of Form 843 but I'm not sure if that's the right one for partnership penalties.
Yes, Form 843 "Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement" is the correct form for requesting abatement of partnership penalties. Be sure to fill out sections 1, 2, 3a, and 5 completely. In section 5, you'll want to clearly explain your reasonable cause or first-time abatement qualification. Attach any supporting documentation that backs up your explanation. This might include communications with your tax preparer showing they led you to believe they had filed an extension, or any other evidence that shows you acted in good faith. Send it certified mail so you have proof of submission.
Has anyone had success getting these penalties reduced rather than fully abated? I'm in basically the same situation but I missed the deadline by only 2 months. I've heard the IRS sometimes will reduce rather than eliminate if they don't accept your full abatement request.
Yes! We had a $3,600 partnership penalty reduced to $1,200. Our situation was that we had filed 3 months late because our accountant had health issues. The IRS didn't fully accept our reasonable cause argument but did reduce it by 2/3. Make sure to ask specifically about partial abatement if they push back on a full waiver.
Last year I got my refund exactly 9 days after my return was accepted (filed Feb 3, got money Feb 12). This year I'm at day 15 and still waiting... seems like everything is slower this year!
Mine took 32 days this year! Filed January 28th and didn't get my refund until March 1st. No special situations or anything complicated either, just a standard return with W-2 income only. I think they're just backed up.
That's crazy! Wonder if they're understaffed or something. Did you ever get an explanation for why it took so long? And did the status bar on the "Where's My Refund" tool update regularly or was it just stuck for weeks?
Anyone know if filing an amended return slows down your original refund? I realized I forgot to include a 1099 after I already submitted my main return :
Filing an amended return shouldn't affect the processing of your original return - they're handled separately. Your original refund should proceed normally, and then the amended return (Form 1040-X) will be processed afterward. However, be prepared for a long wait on the amended return. Those typically take 16 weeks or longer to process, especially during peak tax season. Also worth noting that amended returns have to be processed manually, so they tend to take much longer than regular returns.
Your accountant should file Form 911 (Taxpayer Advocate Service Application) right away. This will get you assigned a case advocate who can help with the communication issues you're having. I'm a retired tax professional and had to use this approach several times in recent years when normal channels broke down. Also, make sure your accountant documents EVERY attempt to contact the examiner - dates, times, phone numbers called, any reference numbers from the calls. This creates a paper trail showing you've been making good faith efforts to comply, which can be important if there are ever questions about your cooperation with the audit.
Thanks for this advice! I'll ask my accountant about Form 911 tomorrow. Does filing this form have any downsides? Does it ever annoy the examiner or make them more likely to be thorough/harsh with the audit?
There are no downsides to filing Form 911. The Taxpayer Advocate Service exists specifically to help in situations like yours where normal procedures aren't working. Examiners understand this is part of the process and won't take it personally or be harsher as a result. In fact, in my experience, having TAS involvement often leads to more reasonable outcomes because it adds another layer of oversight to the audit process. The important thing is that you're demonstrating your willingness to cooperate and resolve the matter appropriately, which is always viewed favorably.
Has anyone actually had success getting through to a real person at the IRS this year? I've been trying for MONTHS for a completely different issue (they claim I didn't pay my 2022 taxes but I have proof I did) and it's impossible. Every time I call I get the "due to high call volume" message and get disconnected.
Try calling right when they open (7am Eastern I think). That's the only time I've had success. Also, don't select the option for "questions about a letter you received" because that queue is always full. Instead, choose "questions about tax law" and then just explain your situation once you get a human. They'll transfer you.
Thanks for the tip! I'll try calling at 7am tomorrow. It's crazy we have to use these workarounds just to talk to someone at the agency that's taking our money. Appreciate the suggestion about which option to select too - I've been picking the "letter" option since that matches my situation.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that different types of mutual fund distributions are taxed differently. Qualified dividends are taxed at the lower capital gains rate (0%, 15%, or 20% depending on your income), while non-qualified dividends are taxed as ordinary income. Also, short-term capital gains distributions (from assets held less than a year by the fund) are taxed as ordinary income, while long-term distributions get the lower capital gains rate. This is why some tax-efficient funds (like index funds) tend to generate lower tax bills than actively managed funds that do a lot of trading.
How can you tell which distributions are qualified vs non-qualified? My 1099-DIV has all these different boxes and I'm never sure what they mean.
On your 1099-DIV, qualified dividends will be in Box 1b, while Box 1a shows total ordinary dividends (which includes both qualified and non-qualified). The difference between Box 1a and 1b would be your non-qualified dividends. Capital gain distributions will be in Box 2a. These are the fund's long-term capital gains that get the preferential tax rate. If the fund had to distribute short-term capital gains, those would actually be included in Box 1a as ordinary dividends, not in the capital gains box, which is why it can get confusing!
Does anyone use TurboTax for handling mutual fund taxes? I've heard mixed things about how well it handles cost basis adjustments.
I've used TurboTax for years with my mutual funds. It works OK if your brokerage provides good 1099s with detailed cost basis info. You can import directly from most major brokerages which helps avoid mistakes. But for older funds where you've been reinvesting for 10+ years, sometimes you need to manually adjust things, which can get complicated in TurboTax.
Ethan Scott
Pro tip from someone who's dealt with multiple CP2000 notices: ALWAYS request a complete account transcript before responding. You can get this online through the IRS website, and it shows exactly what forms and information they have on file for you. Often the discrepancy is just that they're missing information rather than you reporting incorrectly. In my case, they had TWO 1099-Bs from the same brokerage (one corrected, one original) and were double-counting some transactions. I wouldn't have caught that without reviewing the transcript first.
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Lola Perez
ā¢Can you explain exactly how to get the transcript? I logged into my IRS account but got confused by all the different transcript options. Is it the "Record of Account" or the "Account Transcript" or something else?
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Ethan Scott
ā¢You want to request the "Wage and Income Transcript" which shows all information returns filed with your SSN (like W-2s, 1099s, etc.) for the tax year in question. This will show exactly what the IRS has on record. Also request the "Account Transcript" for the specific tax year, which shows actions taken on your account including assessments, payments, and adjustments. These two together will give you the complete picture of what the IRS is seeing versus what you reported.
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Nathaniel Stewart
I'm dealing with the exact same issue right now. Does anyone know if TurboTax's audit defense service helps with CP2000 notices? I paid for it but I'm not sure if that's even considered an "audit" technically.
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Riya Sharma
ā¢TurboTax Audit Defense does cover CP2000 notices! I used it last year when I got one. You just need to call them and they'll assign a tax professional to help prepare your response. They won't represent you before the IRS, but they'll help you figure out what documentation to send and review your response letter.
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