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As a partnership tax specialist, I'd like to add another perspective. The ERTC advance payment is essentially a reduction of a previously deducted expense (wages), not income. Here's how I've been handling it for multiple clients: 1. Report the credit on Form 5884-A, which flows to Schedule K, line 15 2. Reduce wage expense by the amount of the credit 3. Make an M-1 adjustment for "expenses recorded on books but not deducted on this return" (this reconciles your book treatment vs. tax treatment) The key is understanding that the ERTC is fundamentally a credit against payroll taxes that were previously paid. When you get an advance payment, you're just getting those funds earlier, but the tax treatment remains the same.
With the M-1 adjustment, should you include the full amount of the credit or only the portion received as an advance payment? One of my clients received part as an advance and claimed the rest on their quarterly 941s.
You should only include the amount that creates a book-tax difference on your M-1. If your books show the full wage expense but your tax return reflects the reduced wage expense (after applying the credit), then your M-1 adjustment would be for the full amount of the credit that affected wages in that tax year. If part was received as an advance and part was claimed on 941s, but the total impact on wage expense is the same, then the full amount would go on the M-1. The key is reconciling what's on your books versus what's on your tax return, regardless of how or when the credit was received.
Has anyone considered the timing difference when the advance payment is received in a different tax year than when it's reported on Form 5884-A? One of my partnerships received the advance in December 2021 but we're claiming the credit on the 2022 return (based on 2022 qualified wages).
I've seen this happen with H&R Block before. Their preparers are often seasonal workers with minimal training. Always double-check everything! I'd also suggest going back to the H&R Block office and asking to speak with the manager. They should have quality control measures in place to catch mistakes like this. If you paid for their service, you might be entitled to their guarantee which could include them helping if there are any issues with getting your refund.
Thanks for the suggestion! I didn't even think about their guarantee. Do you know if their guarantee covers situations like this? And would you recommend going back now or waiting to see if the refund comes through first?
H&R Block's accuracy guarantee typically covers penalties and interest that result from preparer errors. In your case, since you caught the error before the return was finalized, it's a bit different, but they should still help you navigate the refund process. I'd recommend going back now rather than waiting. Explain what happened and ask them to contact the IRS on your behalf to confirm the overpayment will be refunded. They have a professional responsibility to help resolve this since it was their preparer's error. If the manager isn't helpful, you can escalate to their corporate customer service.
One thing no one has mentioned - make sure you keep an eye on your bank account! The IRS typically deposits refunds directly to the same account they withdrew from. I had a similar situation (though not with H&R Block), and my refund showed up about 5 weeks later with zero notification. I was still stressing about it when it had already been resolved!
This is good advice! Also, check your mail regularly. Sometimes the IRS will send a paper check instead of direct deposit for refunds resulting from corrections or amendments, even if you originally paid electronically. I learned this the hard way when my refund check sat in a pile of mail for weeks.
Have you called your mortgage company? Sometimes they'll issue a corrected 1098 or a separate statement showing the property tax payments. My servicer provided documentation when we had a similar situation, which helped clarify things for tax filing. Worth asking them directly.
I did call them actually! They basically just confirmed what the 1098 shows - that the actual payment to the county hadn't been made yet in 2023. They said they could provide a statement showing my escrow contributions, but they were clear that doesn't change when the tax was technically "paid" for IRS purposes. Frustrating but at least consistent with what everyone here is saying.
Quick question: if I'm using turbotax to file, where do I even put this property tax info for next year? Will it show up automatically from my 1098 or do I need to enter it manually? This is my first year itemizing.
In TurboTax, the property tax paid will typically import automatically if you have your 1098 imported electronically. If not, you'd enter it manually in the "Deductions & Credits" section under "Home Mortgage Interest and Real Estate Taxes." Look for the section about Form 1098 and it will ask for the amount in Box 11 (which is where property taxes paid by your mortgage company appear).
Quick question about timing - I'm in the same boat (sophomore, made about $7k last year). Is there any benefit to filing early vs waiting until April? I've heard mixed things from friends.
File early!!! Especially if you're expecting a refund. The sooner you file, the sooner you get your money back. Also, identity theft is a real problem - if someone gets your SSN they can file a fake return in your name and steal your refund. Filing early prevents this. Filing early also gives you more time to correct any mistakes if something goes wrong. Last year I waited till the last minute and realized I was missing a form, had to file an extension and it was a whole mess.
If you're nervous about filing yourself, most colleges offer free tax help through the VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance) program. Check your school's financial aid office or accounting department. The volunteers are usually accounting students supervised by professors or tax professionals, and they're certified by the IRS. I used it last year and they were super helpful and explained everything as they went along. Plus it's completely free!
This is what I did! Our business school had accounting students doing this as part of their practical experience. They were super thorough and even found a credit I didn't know about. Definitely worth checking if your school offers this!
Samuel Robinson
One important thing no one has mentioned yet - make sure you're using the right exchange rate! The Treasury Financial Management Service rate should be used for FBAR (FinCEN Form 114), but Form 8938 should use the exchange rate on the last day of the tax year. I messed this up on my first attempt and had to redo everything. Also, don't forget that the FBAR is filed electronically through the FinCEN BSA E-Filing System, not with your tax return. Form 8938 goes with your tax return. Different systems, different deadlines, different exchange rates... it's unnecessarily complicated.
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Camila Castillo
ā¢Do you need to use the same exact exchange rate for all the accounts on one day, or can you use the rates from when you actually had the maximum balance in each account (which might be different days)?
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Samuel Robinson
ā¢For FBAR (FinCEN Form 114), you should use the Treasury Financial Management Service rate on the last day of the calendar year if you're reporting the value on that day. However, if you're reporting the maximum value during the year (which you should be), you're supposed to use the rate on the day when the maximum value occurred. For Form 8938, you use the exchange rate on the last day of your tax year, regardless of when the maximum balance occurred. This creates inconsistencies between the two forms, which is why they often have different reported values for the same accounts.
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Brianna Muhammad
Does anyone know if there's a minimum penalty for late FBARs? I'm in kinda the same situation but my accounts are much smaller (around $175k total). Everything I read online makes it sound like the penalties are going to be massive even though I just didn't know about these forms.
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Santiago Diaz
ā¢If you qualify for the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures, there's a miscellaneous offshore penalty of 5% of the highest aggregate balance of your foreign financial assets during the 6-year lookback period. However, for non-willful violations outside the streamlined program, penalties can range from $10,000 per violation per year. The key is demonstrating that your failure to file was truly non-willful. If you go through the streamlined program and properly certify that your failure was non-willful, you can avoid the harsher penalties.
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