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One tip from someone who does this every year - if you do make a credit card payment, print and save the confirmation page! The payment processors (not the IRS directly) will give you a confirmation number. I've had situations where the payment took longer than expected to post to my IRS account, and having that confirmation number was crucial. The IRS can look it up even if it hasn't fully processed in their system yet. Also, be aware that different payment processors charge different fees. Last I checked, Pay1040.com had the lowest fee at 1.87%, while some others charge closer to 2%. Not a huge difference, but if you're making a large payment it can add up.

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Olivia Kay

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Do you happen to know how long it typically takes for a credit card payment to show up in the IRS system? I need to make a payment ASAP but my electronic withdrawal is scheduled for next week.

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In my experience, credit card payments typically take 3-5 business days to show up in the IRS system. However, the payment is considered made on the day you submit it, not when it appears in the IRS records - so you're protected from late payment penalties as long as you complete the transaction by the due date. If your electronic withdrawal is scheduled for next week, I'd recommend making your credit card payment immediately. Even if it doesn't show in the system before the withdrawal date, you can contact the IRS with your confirmation number if there's any issue with double payment. They can always refund overpayments, though it might take some time to process.

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Just a warning - I tried doing something similar last year and thought I was being clever by using my credit card for the rewards points. Make sure you do the math on the fees vs. rewards! The 1.87-1.98% fee ended up being slightly more than the value of my credit card points (I get 1.5% cash back). Only makes sense if you're trying to hit a sign-up bonus or have a card with really good rewards rate. Also, if you're cutting it close to the payment deadline, remember that credit card payments are considered timely based on when you submit them, not when the IRS processes them. Just keep your confirmation number as proof.

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Jibriel Kohn

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Good point about doing the math. Some premium travel cards give effectively 2-2.5% value for points when transferred to airline partners though, which can make it worthwhile even with the fees. I always use my Chase Sapphire Reserve for tax payments specifically because the points are worth more than the fees.

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Lilah Brooks

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Has anyone tried checking bank records? Last year the IRS's stupid tracker still said "processing" THREE DAYS AFTER the money hit my account. I'd recommend logging into your bank account to check pending deposits too, not just relying on the tracker.

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This!!! Same thing happened to me two years ago. The WMR never updated past "approved" but the money showed up in my account. Their systems don't communicate well with each other.

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Lilah Brooks

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Exactly! Their systems are so outdated and disconnected from each other. Sometimes the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. I've also noticed that if you're getting your refund via direct deposit, it sometimes shows up as pending in your bank account 1-2 days before the official deposit date the IRS gives you. Another tip: if you're using a tax preparation service like TurboTax or H&R Block and chose to have your fees taken out of your refund, your money actually goes through a third-party bank first, which can add 1-2 more days to the process. That might explain some delays too.

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Anyone else notice the IRS seems to prioritize people who OWE money over people who are due refunds? My husband filed the same day as me, he owed $850 and his return was processed in 3 days. Meanwhile I'm due a $2,300 refund and I've been waiting for 23 days now with no updates. Just sayin'...

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That's because they want their money faster than they want to give out money lol. Honestly though, different types of returns go through different processing channels. Simple returns with no credits and that owe money typically process faster.

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Jamal Brown

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're documenting everything for tax purposes, especially if this is your first backdoor Roth. You'll need to file Form 8606 to report the non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution. Then when you do the conversion, you'll receive a 1099-R the following January that you'll need for your taxes. I messed this up my first year and had to file an amended return. The IRS initially tried to tax my conversion as if the entire amount was taxable income, which completely defeats the purpose of the backdoor strategy.

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Thanks for mentioning the Form 8606! Would I need to file that for the tax year when I make the contribution to the Traditional IRA, or for the tax year when I do the conversion to Roth? If I contribute now but don't convert until next year, which tax year would it fall under?

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Jamal Brown

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You need to file Form 8606 for the tax year in which you make the non-deductible contribution to your Traditional IRA. This establishes your "basis" (after-tax money) in the IRA. If you contribute now (2023 tax year) but don't convert until next year (2024), you would still report the non-deductible contribution on Form 8606 with your 2023 tax return. Then when you do the conversion in 2024, you'd receive a 1099-R for that tax year, and you'd file another Form 8606 with your 2024 return to report the conversion. This is why keeping good records is so important - you need to track your basis over time, especially if you don't convert immediately after contributing.

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Mei Zhang

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Has anyone actually done the backdoor Roth with E*TRADE? Vanguard seems like a hassle from what everyone's saying. I'm thinking about opening my accounts somewhere else to avoid these customer service headaches.

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I use Fidelity for my backdoor Roth and it's super easy. You can open both account types online in about 10 minutes, and their conversion process is just a few clicks. Never had to call customer service once. They also have good educational resources about the process right on their website.

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Carmen Reyes

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Everyone here is focused on the hobby vs business question, but there's another angle to consider. If you're mainly selling model horses that you previously purchased for your collection (rather than making/modifying them yourself), you might be able to treat these as capital assets. When you sell a capital asset, you report the sale price minus what you paid for it (your basis). So if you bought a model horse for $100 and sold it for $150, you'd only pay tax on the $50 profit. This might be a better approach than hobby income if you're primarily just buying and reselling without substantial modification.

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Andre Moreau

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This is interesting! Would you use Schedule D for this instead of reporting as hobby income? And do you need to keep receipts for everything to prove what you originally paid?

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Just to add another perspective... If you customize or restore the model horses before selling them, that effort might strengthen your case as a business rather than just collecting. You're adding value through your labor and expertise, not just buying and selling. I make and sell handcrafted jewelry and was in a similar position a few years ago. Once I documented my design process, tracked my time spent making pieces, and marketed my work more consistently, my tax preparer was comfortable treating it as a business on Schedule C, even though I wasn't profitable every year.

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Zara Shah

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I do customize some of them! I repaint about 30% of the models I sell, and sometimes do minor repairs on vintage pieces. I just wasn't sure if that was enough to count as a "real business" since it's still mostly just for fun. But it sounds like that could help my case?

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That definitely strengthens your case! The customization and repairs show you're adding value through your skills and labor, which is a big factor in the business vs. hobby determination. Make sure you document your work process - take before and after photos of your customizations, track the time you spend on each project, and keep receipts for all supplies. Also, consider creating a separate Instagram or Facebook page showcasing your work, even if it's just casual. Having a business presence online is another factor that supports business treatment. You might also want to look into selling at model horse shows or conventions if you don't already - participating in trade shows is another indicator the IRS looks for when determining if something is a business. The key is to show that you're making decisions with the intent to eventually be profitable, even if you're not there yet.

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Talia Klein

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You might wanna double check what kind of insurance you have exactly. The 1095-C just shows that your employer OFFERED you coverage, not necessarily that you TOOK the coverage. If you declined their insurance and got marketplace coverage with premium tax credits instead, then you'd need to amend using your 1095-A form. But if you just had regular employer insurance all year like most people, and correctly said so on your tax return, you're fine. Keep the 1095-C with your records, but you don't file it with your return.

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Jabari-Jo

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Thank you for pointing this out! I did take my employer's insurance and have been covered all year through them. I definitely checked the box on my return saying I had coverage for all 12 months. So it sounds like I'm ok from what everyone is saying?

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Talia Klein

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Yes, you're fine then! If you had employer coverage all year and indicated that on your return, the 1095-C is just documentation for your records. You don't need to amend your return or do anything else. The IRS already gets this information reported to them directly from your employer. Just keep the form with your tax records in case there are ever any questions, but you're all set!

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Has anyone noticed that the 1095 forms ALWAYS come late? Like, every single year they're the last to arrive, usually after most people have already filed. Seems like the IRS should adjust the deadlines so these forms arrive before the filing season even starts. Makes no sense to get tax forms after you've already filed!

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PaulineW

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100% agree. My 1095-B comes late EVERY year. I think employers have until March to send them out, but W-2s have to be out by January 31. The deadlines don't make any sense when tax filing starts in late January!

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Thanks for confirming I'm not the only one! It's so frustrating. You'd think after all these years they'd figure out how to align these deadlines better. I always end up having to decide whether to file early and get my refund sooner, or wait for all my forms and risk delaying my refund.

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