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I'm struggling with figuring out the adjusted basis calculation on my Schedule K-1 (1065). Using tax software has been mostly fine for the straightforward parts - I can handle inputting different box numbers. But I'm totally confused when it comes to the adjusted basis calculation, which apparently determines how much I can deduct. My situation is pretty simple: I work full-time (40hrs/week) at a small LLC that gave me a small percentage partnership interest as a performance bonus last year. The K-1 is super basic with only a few boxes filled in (Boxes 1, 14, and 18). We've been operating at a loss since the company started, so no distributions to worry about. Two main questions: 1) Since I'm a direct employee working full-time, am I considered an "active participant"? But I think I'm "NOT at-risk" because I don't lose anything if the company fails (Item K liabilities = 0). Do I even need to calculate adjusted basis? 2) For the adjusted basis calculation, all I have is Item L (Partner's Capital Account Analysis). Last year's Ending Capital Account was around -$1,300. Tax software requires a non-zero starting adjusted basis - do I just put 0 since last year's ending was negative? This year's Item L shows: Beginning capital: ~ -$4,100 Decrease: ~ -$3,800 Ending: ~ -$7,900 I think the decrease for adjusted basis would be -$3,800, but then I looked at the worksheet on the IRS website (https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1065sk1/ch01.html) which says adjusted basis less than zero is 0? I'm completely lost at this point.
For your Schedule K-1 (1065) adjusted basis, I think you're getting confused between capital account and outside basis. They're different things! Your capital account can go negative (as yours has) but your basis can never go below zero. Since you got your interest as a bonus, your initial basis was probably the value included in your income. If that was zero, then your starting basis was zero. Since your basis starts at zero, you can't deduct any of the partnership losses now. They get suspended and carry forward until you get more basis (either by contributing money/property to the LLC or by the LLC generating income that's allocated to you). For the tax software, you're correct to enter zero as your starting basis if it was already zero last year. Make sure you track your suspended losses somewhere though - those are important for future years!
Thanks for explaining the difference between capital account and outside basis! That clears up a lot. So even though my capital account shows -$7,900 at the end of this year, my outside basis is still just zero? Do I need to file any special forms to track these suspended losses or is it just something I need to remember for next year?
Exactly right - your capital account can show -$7,900, but your outside basis remains at zero (it can't go negative). The difference between those numbers represents your suspended losses. There's no specific IRS form for tracking suspended losses - it's just something you need to maintain in your personal records. I recommend creating a simple spreadsheet that shows: 1) Your beginning basis each year 2) Increases to basis (contributions, income items) 3) Decreases to basis (distributions, loss items) 4) Ending basis 5) Cumulative suspended losses When you file next year, you'll need this information to know how much of any losses you can claim. If the partnership becomes profitable, those profits will increase your basis and allow you to start using those suspended losses.
Dealing with Schedule K-1 (1065) adjusted basis calculations can be a nightmare! I'm a partner in 3 different LLCs and finally figured out how to handle negative capital accounts. The key thing to understand: your adjusted basis and your capital account are calculated differently. Your capital account can go negative, but your tax basis cannot. When you receive a partnership interest as compensation (like you did), your initial basis equals the amount included in your income. If you didn't include any amount in income, your initial basis was zero. With a starting basis of zero and no additional contributions, you can't claim any of the $3,800 loss this year. But those losses aren't gone! They're suspended and can be used in future years when you have basis. For tax software, enter zero as your beginning basis, then show your share of loss, but the software should limit your loss deduction to zero.
Are you sure about the suspended losses carrying forward indefinitely? I thought they expired after a certain number of years like net operating losses do. Can anyone confirm this?
I'm a payroll specialist, and I can tell you that having two W4s with the same date is a HUGE red flag. What likely happened is that someone in HR/payroll used the blank form instead of your completed one when setting up your withholding. This is 100% their error. Print out all your pay stubs showing zero federal withholding, bring copies of both W4s, and request a meeting with both HR and payroll. Don't be accusatory, but be firm that their error has caused you significant financial hardship. Many companies will work with you on this - I've seen employers offer interest-free loans to employees to cover tax bills caused by company errors. Also, request they issue a letter acknowledging their error, which can help if you request a penalty abatement from the IRS. First-time penalty abatement is often granted, especially with documentation of employer error.
Thank you so much for this perspective! Do you think I should approach my direct supervisor first or go straight to HR/payroll? I'm worried about coming across as confrontational, but this is such a huge amount of money for me.
I would recommend going directly to HR/payroll rather than your supervisor. This is a payroll administration issue, not a management issue, and your supervisor likely won't have the authority or expertise to address it properly. When you approach HR/payroll, frame it as seeking their help to resolve an unfortunate situation rather than placing blame. Bring all your documentation and explain that you've discovered this discrepancy between your properly completed W4 and what was actually implemented. Most payroll professionals will recognize this as a serious error on their part and will want to make it right.
This happened to me last year! Check if your company has something called "salary continuation" or "tax equalization" in their benefits package. My company had this policy where if they made a payroll error that resulted in employee tax liability, they would cover the difference. I discovered this buried in our employee handbook after a similar withholding issue. HR initially tried to say I was responsible, but once I pointed to their own policy, they covered the entire amount I owed plus penalties.
Just a quick warning to anyone using the automatic extension - make sure you still file Form 4868 for an extension of your actual tax return by April 18th! The FBAR automatic extension ONLY applies to the FBAR itself (FinCEN Form 114), not your tax return. I made this mistake last year thinking the automatic extension covered everything related to foreign accounts. Ended up having to explain to the IRS why my tax return was late even though my FBAR was timely filed. Don't repeat my mistake!
Wait, so if I have to report foreign accounts on Schedule B of my tax return, that part isn't extended automatically with the FBAR extension? That's confusing since they're related. Can you clarify what forms need separate extension requests?
That's right - they're definitely related but handled by different agencies. The FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) goes to FinCEN, not the IRS, which is why it has its own separate deadline and extension rules. Your tax return (1040 and all schedules including Schedule B where you check the box about foreign accounts) goes to the IRS and follows regular tax return deadlines. So you need Form 4868 to extend your tax return filing. Also, Form 8938 (Statement of Foreign Financial Assets) if required, goes with your tax return and would be covered by the Form 4868 extension, not the automatic FBAR extension.
Something nobody has mentioned yet - if you haven't filed FBARs in previous years when you should have, look into the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures. The penalties for late/missed FBARs can be INSANE (like $10,000 per account per year), but the Streamlined program lets you catch up without penalties if your failure to file wasn't willful. I went through this last year after realizing I should have been filing FBARs for 5 years. You file your past FBARs, certify that your failure was non-willful, and you're good. Much better than waiting for them to find you!
Thanks for bringing this up! Does anyone know if they still require 6 years of back FBARs for the Streamlined program? And do you need to amend all your tax returns too, or just file the missing FBARs?
Just to add another perspective - I've received 1095 forms late for the past three tax seasons. As long as you had health insurance and reported that correctly on your tax return, you really don't need to do anything with these forms except keep them with your tax records. The only time you'd need to amend is if you claimed you DIDN'T have insurance when these forms show you actually did, or if you claimed a premium tax credit incorrectly based on info that would be on a 1095-A (which is different from B and C forms).
Thank you all for the responses! I went back and checked my filed return, and I did correctly report that I had health insurance coverage for all 12 months last year. So it sounds like I don't need to do anything with these 1095-B and 1095-C forms other than keep them with my records?
That's exactly right! Just keep them with your other tax documents in case of an audit, but there's no need to amend your return if you correctly reported your coverage status. The 1095-B and 1095-C are basically just verification documents - they don't directly affect your tax calculation like income forms do.
Don't forget that the IRS has been seriously backed up since the pandemic. Even if you did need to amend (which sounds like you don't based on your situation), they're taking FOREVER to process amended returns. My brother amended his 2022 taxes in May 2023 and didn't get his refund until February 2024!
This is so true! I filed an amended return last year and the "Where's My Amended Return" tool just showed "processing" for 9 months straight. The IRS is completely overloaded.
Mei Liu
This is probably a simple question but is the 1096 still required if you e-file your 1099s? I did my 1099-NECs through one of those online services this year and I'm not sure if I still need to mail in a 1096 or not.
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Mei Liu
ā¢Thank you so much for that info! That's a huge relief - I was worried I had missed something important. So just to be 100% clear, if I used the e-file system through my tax software for the 1099-NECs, I'm completely done with that part? Nothing else to mail in?
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Liam O'Sullivan
ā¢That's correct, you're completely done with that part! The e-filing system handles everything that the 1096 would normally cover. Just make sure you keep records of your e-file confirmation for your own records. The only paper forms you still need to provide are the recipient copies of the 1099-NECs, which should be given to your contractors/vendors (though many e-file systems will mail these for you as well if you select that option).
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Amara Chukwu
Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous that the IRS still uses all these paper forms? Every year I stress about whether I've filled them out correctly. And the instruction booklet is like 20 pages long for what should be a simple form. No wonder everyone's confused about this stuff.
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Giovanni Conti
ā¢The IRS has actually been trying to move more toward electronic filing! They've increased the e-file threshold requirements over the years. I think for 2025 filing season, businesses that need to file 10 or more information returns are required to e-file. But yeah, the paper forms are confusing. I think they keep them because some small businesses or elderly business owners still prefer paper. The whole tax system needs modernization.
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Amara Chukwu
ā¢That's good to know about the e-filing push. Still, 10 forms seems like a high threshold when the process is so much easier electronically. I only have to file 3-4 1099s each year, so I'm not required to e-file, but I'm definitely going to look into it for next year because these paper forms are driving me crazy. And you're right about the tax system needing modernization. It feels like we're using 1980s processes in 2025!
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