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Just to add another perspective - I'm a partner in a surgical practice and our accountant has always handled this correctly. Here's the basic rule: 1. If you're a partner (>2% owner) in an S-corp or professional corporation, health insurance paid by the practice must be included in your W2 income 2. You then deduct these premiums as self-employed health insurance on line 16 of Schedule 1 (Form 1040) 3. This is NOT an itemized deduction - it's an adjustment to income Make sure to check if your practice is handling this correctly. Many medical groups miss this.
Is this different if the practice is an LLC taxed as a partnership rather than an S-corp? Our veterinary practice is set up this way and I'm now wondering if we're doing things correctly.
Yes, it's a bit different for LLCs taxed as partnerships. In that case, you wouldn't receive a W2 - you'd get a K-1 instead. The health insurance premiums would be reported as guaranteed payments on your K-1, and you'd still be eligible for the self-employed health insurance deduction. The key difference is the reporting method (W2 vs K-1), but you can still take the deduction either way if you're a partner. Just make sure the premiums are properly included in your income first.
Has anyone consulted IRS Publication 535? It specifically addresses this issue for partners. The relevant section states that partners can deduct health insurance as self-employed if the partnership either pays the premiums directly or reimburses the partner and reports this as guaranteed payments. For S-corp owners (>2%), Publication 535 requires that the premium payments be included in your W2 wages. Check out this example from page 21 of the publication: "Example 4. Sean is a partner in OPC Partnershipβa partnership that owns and leases medical equipment. The Partnership Agreement states that Sean must pay for his own health insurance premiums. OPC Partnership annually reimburses Sean for the medical insurance premiums that he pays. OPC Partnership reports the reimbursed amount on Schedule K-1 (Form 1065), box 13, using code A, as unrelated to self-employment income. Sean can deduct the health insurance premiums as an adjustment to income on Form 1040.
This is super helpful, thank you! Between this discussion and the documents I've been reading, I think I finally understand how to handle this for my optometry practice. I need to talk to our practice manager about correcting our W2s.
One specific thing to check when interviewing CPAs for a small business - ask if THEY own a small business themselves. My CPA runs her own practice and understands the challenges from both sides. She gives me advice not just as an accountant but as a fellow business owner. Makes a huge difference.
That's a brilliant suggestion! Do you find that CPAs who own their own businesses charge more or less than those working for larger firms?
In my experience, solo CPAs or small firms often charge less than the big accounting firms, but it varies widely. Some specialists charge premium rates because of their expertise, while others keep rates lower because they have less overhead. What I've found more important than the base rate is how they structure their fees. My CPA charges a monthly retainer that includes regular check-ins and planning, rather than billing me by the hour every time I have a question. This encourages me to reach out proactively instead of avoiding contact because I'm worried about the clock ticking.
Has anyone used a "virtual" CPA who's not in your local area? I found someone online who seems perfect for my business but they're in another state. Not sure if this is a good idea or if I should stick to local options.
I've been using a virtual CPA for my consulting business for 3 years now. It works great honestly. We do video calls quarterly and email/text the rest of the time. The only downside is no in-person meetings, but the upside is I found someone who specializes in exactly my type of business rather than settling for whoever was local.
I think everyone's missing the biggest issue here. You said you have papers saying you own a percentage of the house, but you're NOT on the deed? That's a HUGE problem! If that's the case, legally you don't own any part of the house at all, regardless of what your private agreement says. If your MIL had sold the house without paying you back, you'd have to sue her to get your money. The title/deed is what legally determines ownership, not a side agreement. For the tax question - based on how you described it, this sounds like a secured loan rather than actual ownership, which means getting your principal back isn't taxable. But I'd be more concerned about fixing your legal documentation if you plan to do arrangements like this in the future.
Thanks for pointing that out. The agreement we have is more like a promissory note with the house as collateral. We knew we weren't on the deed, and trusted her (plus had the signed agreement). But you're right that in a worst-case scenario, we'd have had to take legal action if she refused to pay. For future reference, would you recommend actually getting on the deed for this kind of arrangement? Or is there a better way to structure it?
For future reference, there are several better ways to structure this. If you want actual ownership, you absolutely need to be on the deed - that's the only thing that legally establishes property ownership. Your name on the deed would make you true partial owners. If you prefer the loan approach (which is simpler), you could use a recorded mortgage or deed of trust. This creates a public record of your loan against the property and gives you much stronger legal protection. If she didn't repay, you'd have a straightforward foreclosure process rather than having to sue based on a private agreement. Either way, for amounts this large, it's worth spending a few hundred dollars on a real estate attorney to structure it properly. The peace of mind and legal protection are absolutely worth it.
Just to be clear about the structuring issue someone mentioned - breaking up deposits specifically to avoid the $10k reporting requirement is indeed illegal, but there's nothing wrong with splitting a large deposit due to bank limits. Receiving two $50k checks because of your bank's deposit limit is totally fine and normal. Just don't try to fly under the radar with those $9,990 checks you mentioned - that's exactly what the anti-structuring laws are designed to catch, and it can create much bigger problems than just reporting a legitimate transaction.
This is so frustrating! The government makes you report large deposits of YOUR OWN MONEY coming back to you? It's none of their business if my family pays me back money I lent them. The whole banking system is designed to treat everyone like criminals.
I'm a banking compliance officer (not tax advice!) and can shed some light on this from the bank's perspective. The confusion often stems from mixing up two separate requirements: 1) Regulatory reporting - Yes, you personally must be listed as the board member for Fed/FDIC reporting. This is about governance and responsibility. 2) Payment structure - This is separate from regulatory reporting. Many banks do pay board fees to professional entities rather than individuals. The key is proper documentation. The bank needs a service agreement between them and your S-Corp that specifically states you are the individual performing the services. Your bank's CEO might be confused because some banks have policies against this (not because of regulations, but internal policy).
Thank you for this insight! Do you have any suggestions for how I might approach the conversation with the CEO again? Is there specific regulatory guidance I could reference to help clarify the distinction between reporting requirements and payment structure?
I'd suggest approaching the conversation by acknowledging their regulatory concerns first, which shows you understand the importance of compliance. Then, bring up that many financial institutions separate personal board service from compensation arrangements. Ask if their concern is based on a specific regulation or internal policy. For reference materials, the FDIC's "Pocket Guide for Directors" and the OCC's "Director's Book" both discuss board responsibilities but don't prohibit compensation to business entities. You might also want to have your CPA prepare a short memo explaining the tax structure and confirming your personal liability remains unchanged. Having something in writing from a professional often helps overcome institutional resistance.
Has anyone considered the reasonable compensation rules for S-Corps in this scenario? The IRS scrutinizes S-Corps where owners avoid payroll taxes, especially when the income is clearly tied to personal services.
Good point! From my experience as a board member who uses an S-Corp, you'll still need to pay yourself a reasonable salary from the S-Corp for your board service. The tax advantage comes from only a portion of the income being subject to employment taxes, not eliminating them entirely.
Lucas Bey
Just wanted to add my experience here as someone who's used all three types of professionals at different stages of my business. When I first started my side hustle (while keeping my day job like you), I just used a bookkeeper to organize my expenses and a tax preparer to file. This worked fine until my business grew. Once I hit about $40k in business income, I switched to a tax consultant (Enrolled Agent) who helped me set up a more strategic approach to deductions and quarterly payments. Three years in, I now use a CPA because my situation includes multiple income streams, business structure questions, and retirement planning considerations. My advice: match the professional to your current complexity level, not where you think you might be in the future. You can always upgrade as needed.
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Rachel Clark
β’This is super helpful! Can I ask roughly what you paid for each type of professional? And did you notice a big difference in the amount of tax savings as you "upgraded" to more specialized help?
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Lucas Bey
β’For the bookkeeper and tax preparer combo, I paid about $80/month for bookkeeping and $350 for tax preparation, so roughly $1,310 annually. They mainly just organized things and filed correctly, but didn't offer much strategic advice. The Enrolled Agent/tax consultant cost me about $1,800 annually but found an additional $4,200 in deductions the first year - home office, mileage, and several business expenses I didn't realize were deductible. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade. My CPA costs about $3,200 annually but has structured my business to save approximately $11,000 in taxes through strategic planning, retirement contributions, and helping me choose the right business entity. As your business grows more complex, the potential tax savings generally increase enough to justify the higher fees.
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Harper Thompson
One approach nobody has mentioned is using tax software like TurboTax Small Business or H&R Block Self-Employed for the actual filing, but hiring a bookkeeper to keep your records organized throughout the year. I do this and it's worked great for 3 years now. My bookkeeper charges $75/hour and spends about 2 hours monthly organizing my receipts and categorizing expenses in QuickBooks ($1,800/year). Then I use software for the actual filing ($130). Total cost is under $2,000 annually, and I feel confident my records are organized correctly. The software walks through all possible deductions so I don't miss anything. Only caveat: this works for my relatively straightforward situation (W-2 job plus a single-member LLC side business). If you have multiple businesses, complex investments, or other complicated situations, you probably do need a tax professional.
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Caleb Stark
β’How do you handle quarterly estimated tax payments with this approach? That's the part I find most confusing with my side business.
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