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I had my verification appointment on February 12, 2024, and my refund was deposited on March 8, 2024 - exactly 25 days later. My transcript updated on March 1 showing the release of the verification hold. I brought my driver's license, passport, social security card, W-2, last year's tax return, and a utility bill. The agent said I was overprepared but that it made the process smoother. Check your transcript on April 15 and April 22 - those should be key update dates based on your Monday appointment timing.

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Did you have any tax credits on your return? And was yours a simple W-2 return or did you have other forms of income?

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Elijah Knight

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The timeline really varies, but here's what I've learned from going through this process twice. After my verification appointment, it took about 3 weeks for my transcript to update with code 971/571 showing the identity hold was released. Then another 2 weeks for the actual refund to hit my account - so 5 weeks total. Key things that helped speed mine up: - Brought original documents (not copies) - Had my AGI from last year memorized - Asked the agent to notate my file that verification was successful The 9-week timeframe is their maximum, but most people I know got theirs between 3-6 weeks. Keep checking your transcript on Wednesdays - that's when most updates happen. And don't stress if WMR still shows "processing" - it's notoriously slow to update after verification appointments. Good luck with your appointment Monday! The plumbing gods will hopefully smile upon your refund timing šŸ”§

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Just to add my 2 cents - I think the Treasury EIN is actually 72-0000000 for interest payments, not 94-1111111. I had this same issue last year and that's what I used for the payer ID.

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You're thinking of a different Treasury department identifier. For 1099-INT forms specifically related to tax refund interest, the correct EIN is indeed 94-1111111. The 72-0000000 number is sometimes used for other Treasury payments, but not typically for tax refund interest. This is something that causes confusion every year!

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Grace Lee

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I went through this exact same situation two years ago and can confirm the information Lucas provided is correct. For IRS refund interest 1099-INT forms, you should use: - Payer: United States Treasury - EIN: 94-1111111 - Address: You can use either the Ogden, UT or Kansas City, MO service center address I actually called the IRS when I lost mine and after waiting on hold for 2+ hours, the agent confirmed these are the standard payer details they use. She also mentioned that as long as you report the correct interest amount and use the proper Treasury EIN, your return will process normally since they have the matching records on their end. One tip - make sure to keep a digital copy or photo of important tax docs like this in the future! I now scan everything to cloud storage right when it arrives. Good luck with your filing!

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Lilah Brooks

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I'm just curious - how much was the depreciation recapture tax hit for those who had to pay it? I'm in year 2 of renting out my primary residence and considering moving back in specifically to avoid capital gains taxes when I eventually sell. My house has appreciated about $180k since I bought it, and I'm trying to calculate if moving back for 2+ years makes financial sense versus just selling it as an investment property and paying the capital gains tax.

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Not the original poster, but I can share my experience. I rented my house for 3 years and had to recapture about $32,000 in depreciation when I sold (it was a fairly expensive property). At the 25% rate, that meant about $8,000 in taxes just for the recapture part. But that was WAY better than paying capital gains on the full $220k appreciation, which would have been more like $33,000 in tax (at my 15% long-term capital gains rate). So moving back in for 2 years before selling saved me about $25k in taxes.

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Based on your situation, you should be able to claim the full Section 121 exclusion without any issues. You clearly meet the ownership and use test (2 out of 5 years before sale), and the key factor working in your favor is that you moved back into the home and lived there until you sold it. The non-qualified use rules from 2008 specifically state that any period AFTER the last date you used the property as your principal residence doesn't count against you. Since your rental period (2015-2017) occurred BEFORE your final period of residence (2017-2024), it shouldn't affect your exclusion eligibility at all. However, you will need to recapture any depreciation you claimed during the rental period at the 25% rate - this is separate from the Section 121 exclusion. Make sure you have good records of the rental period dates, and keep documentation showing when you moved back in (utility bills, address changes, etc.) in case the IRS ever asks. Given the complexity and the significant money involved, you might want to consider getting a professional analysis of your specific situation to make sure you're reporting everything correctly. The peace of mind is usually worth it when dealing with large capital gains.

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CosmicCaptain

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This is really helpful - thank you for breaking down the non-qualified use rules so clearly! I've been reading IRS Publication 523 but it's pretty dense. Just to make sure I understand correctly: since I moved back in after the rental period and lived there continuously until sale, that 2-year rental period in the middle doesn't hurt my Section 121 exclusion at all? Also, regarding the depreciation recapture - I did claim depreciation on my tax returns during those rental years. Do you happen to know if there's a specific form I need to use when reporting this, or does it just go on the regular Schedule D? I want to make sure I don't miss anything when I file.

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That's exactly right! Since you moved back in after the rental period and lived there continuously until sale, that 2-year rental period won't affect your Section 121 exclusion eligibility. You should be able to exclude the full $250K (or $500K if married filing jointly) from your capital gains. For the depreciation recapture, you'll report this on Form 4797 (Sales of Business Property), not Schedule D. The depreciation you claimed during the rental years gets "recaptured" and taxed at a maximum rate of 25%, which is generally higher than long-term capital gains rates but much better than ordinary income rates. Make sure to gather all your tax returns from the rental years so you can calculate the exact amount of depreciation you claimed. If you used tax software or a preparer during those years, they should have records of the depreciation amounts. The recapture amount will be the lesser of: (1) the depreciation you actually claimed, or (2) the gain on the sale attributable to the rental use period. Since this can get complex with the calculations, definitely consider having a tax professional review everything before filing, especially given the significant amounts involved.

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Just wanted to add that timing your sale might be important here. Since you've already used it as a rental for 2.5 years, you only have another 2.5 years before you'd fail the 2-of-5 year test! If you delay selling and cross that 3-year rental mark, you might lose your eligibility for the exclusion entirely. Something to keep in mind if you're on the fence about selling now vs later.

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Amina Sow

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This is such a common situation and you're definitely on the right track! I went through almost the exact same scenario a few years ago - lived in my house for 8 years, converted to rental for about 2 years, then sold. The good news is that you absolutely can still claim the capital gains exclusion since you meet the 2-of-5 year residence test. The rental period doesn't disqualify you from the exclusion at all. A few things to keep in mind that helped me: - Make sure you have good records of when you moved out and started renting (lease agreements, utility transfers, etc.) to establish the timeline - The depreciation recapture that others mentioned is real - I ended up owing about $8,000 on that portion at the 25% rate - Don't forget about any improvements you made during your 9 years of living there - those can be added to your cost basis One thing I wish I had known earlier is that you're actually running against a clock now. Since you've been renting for 2.5 years, you only have another 2.5 years before you'd lose eligibility for the exclusion entirely. So if you're planning to sell anyway, sooner rather than later might be beneficial tax-wise. The whole process was much more straightforward than I expected once I understood the rules. You're in a good position!

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through almost the exact same situation. The $8,000 depreciation recapture gives me a concrete idea of what to expect - that's definitely something I need to factor into my planning. You're absolutely right about the timeline pressure. I hadn't really thought about it that way, but you're correct that I'm basically on a countdown now. Since I'm already planning to sell anyway, it sounds like I should prioritize getting it on the market sooner rather than later to make sure I don't lose that exclusion eligibility. Do you remember if there were any other forms besides 4797 that you had to file for the sale? I want to make sure I don't miss anything when tax time comes around.

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Mei Wong

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One important detail about worthless securities that hasn't been mentioned: Make sure you have documentation showing exactly WHEN the securities became worthless. This matters because you must claim the loss in the correct tax year. The IRS is pretty strict about this. If you claim the loss in 2024 but the stock actually became worthless in 2023, they could disallow your deduction. Look for bankruptcy filings, public announcements of liquidation, or final SEC filings if it was a public company. Also, if your company did a formal bankruptcy, check if you received any kind of distribution, even a tiny one. This could affect how you calculate your loss.

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What if there's absolutely no paper trail? My company just stopped operations and the founder ghosted everyone. No bankruptcy, no announcements, nothing. Just dead websites and returned mail. How do I prove when it became worthless?

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Mei Wong

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When there's no official paper trail, you need to create your own documentation. Save emails showing bounced messages to company addresses, screenshots of dead websites with dates visible, news articles about the company closing, statements from your brokerage showing the last time the stock had value, etc. You can also write a detailed statement documenting your efforts to determine the company's status and why you concluded the securities were worthless in a particular tax year. Include dates of calls made, people you attempted to contact, and responses received. The more contemporaneous evidence you gather, the stronger your position will be if questioned. In some cases, former employees or executives might provide written statements confirming when operations ceased, which can be very helpful documentation.

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Amara Okafor

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Just wanted to mention another good resource: if your company had a transfer agent (the company that managed your stock issuance and ESPP), try contacting them directly. Even if the company is gone, the transfer agent often maintains records. In my case when a company went under, Computershare was the transfer agent and still had all my records. They provided documentation showing my purchase history and confirmation that the shares had no value after the company liquidated.

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That's a really good point! Do you know how to figure out who the transfer agent was if you can't remember? Is there some public database for that?

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If you can't remember the transfer agent, check any old ESPP documents you might have - they usually list the transfer agent somewhere. You can also try searching SEC EDGAR filings for your former company - public companies have to disclose their transfer agent in various forms like 10-Ks or proxy statements. Another option is to call the major transfer agents directly (Computershare, EQ Shareowner Services, American Stock Transfer & Trust) and ask if they have records for your company. They can usually search by company name. If you still have any physical stock certificates or old account statements, the transfer agent name is often printed on them too.

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