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Quick practical advice that helped me when I missed the extended deadline last year: 1. Pay as much as you can estimate RIGHT NOW through IRS Direct Pay (google it) 2. Get your documents organized ASAP even if you can't complete the return 3. File within 60 days of the missed deadline if at all possible - penalties increase substantially after that 4. If you have a clean payment history for the last 3 years, request "First Time Penalty Abatement" when you do file 5. Include a letter explaining your situation with your late return The 3-year clean compliance history was key for me - got nearly all penalties removed with a simple phone call after filing late by about 3 weeks.
Thank you for this practical advice! Quick question - for the payment estimate, would you recommend just using last year's total tax amount as a starting point? And for the first-time penalty abatement, is that something I request when I file or after I receive a penalty notice?
Last year's total tax is definitely a good starting point. If you know your income increased, add 25-30% to be safe. It's always better to slightly overpay and get a refund than underpay and face more penalties. For First Time Penalty Abatement, you can request it either way. Some tax pros recommend waiting for the penalty notice before requesting abatement, but I found it helpful to include a letter with my late return specifically requesting it based on my clean compliance history. I used IRS guidance from their website about FTA requirements and referenced it in my letter. You can also call after filing to request it, but having it documented in writing from the start worked well in my case.
Something important no one mentioned - if you're truly self-employed, don't forget about your quarterly estimated tax payments! Even while sorting out last year's taxes, make sure you're making estimated payments for 2024 if you haven't been. The Oct 15 deadline happens to fall very close to the Q3 estimated payment deadline (Sep 16 this year). Missing estimated payments creates a whole separate penalty issue (underpayment penalty) that exists regardless of extensions. Even if you get filing penalties abated, underpayment penalties for missing quarterlies typically won't be forgiven.
This! I learned this lesson the hard way. Got all my filing extension stuff sorted only to get hit with a separate underpayment penalty for not making proper quarterly estimated payments. It was like solving one problem just to discover another one.
As someone who purchased an EV last year, make sure you also check that the vehicle itself qualifies! There are price caps on the vehicles too - used EVs must be under $25,000 to qualify for the credit. And the dealer has to be a registered dealer, not just any private sale. Also, the credit is nonrefundable, meaning you need to have at least $4,000 in tax liability to get the full benefit. With your income level that shouldn't be an issue, but something to be aware of.
Thanks for mentioning the other requirements! I've been so focused on the income limits I forgot about vehicle price caps. Do you know if the $25,000 limit is before or after any dealer add-ons and fees?
The $25,000 limit is based on the sales price of the vehicle itself, before taxes and fees. However, dealer add-ons that are included in the purchase price (like extended warranties sold by the dealer) would count toward that limit. Be careful about dealers who might try to structure the deal in ways that artificially lower the vehicle price while adding "mandatory" add-ons to get around the price cap. The IRS looks at the actual purchase price of the vehicle as reported on your sales documentation.
Important point nobody's mentioned yet - if you buy the EV for your rideshare work, it will be a business vehicle (at least partially). This affects how you claim both the EV credit AND your future business deductions. If you use the EV 100% for business, you can take the full credit but then you can't also claim the standard mileage rate for those miles in future years. You'd need to use actual expenses method instead. If you use it partially for personal use (like 70% business/30% personal), the situation gets more complex.
this isnt correct, i got the ev credit last year and still claim mileage. my tax guy said its fine cause the credit is for buying the car, deductions are for using it. totally different things.
Something else to consider - if your rental property is in an opportunity zone, there might be additional tax benefits that interact with these passive activity loss rules. We bought a small rental in a designated opportunity zone last year and not only were we able to defer capital gains from another investment, but the way it affected our passive activity calculations was significant.
Can you explain more about how opportunity zone investments affected your passive activity calculations? I'm considering an opportunity zone property but mostly looking at the capital gains benefits, hadn't considered passive loss implications.
Here's another wrinkle - if any of your rental property is short-term (like Airbnb or VRBO where average stay is 7 days or less), it falls under different rules and might not qualify for the $25k special allowance at all regardless of your MAGI. Those properties are considered nonresidential and have different passive activity classifications. I learned this the hard way last year when I converted one of my long-term rentals to a vacation rental and discovered I couldn't use those losses against my other income even though I was below the MAGI threshold. Real estate tax rules are full of fun surprises!
One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you're on unemployment but doing gig work or freelancing to make extra money, you need to be paying quarterly estimated taxes on that income! I learned this the hard way last year when I drove for DoorDash while on unemployment and got hit with an underpayment penalty. The unemployment + self-employment combo can be really tricky tax-wise. Unemployment has the option for withholding but your gig work doesn't, so you have to plan ahead.
That's a good point, I've been thinking about driving for Uber while job hunting. How do you figure out how much to pay in quarterly taxes? Is there a simple calculation?
The general rule is to set aside about 25-30% of your gig income for taxes, which covers both income tax and self-employment tax (the combined Social Security and Medicare taxes that are normally split between employer and employee). For calculating quarterly payments more precisely, you can use the IRS Form 1040-ES worksheet. It helps you estimate your expected income and taxes for the year. Alternatively, if you pay at least 90% of the current year's tax liability or 100% of last year's tax liability (whichever is smaller), you usually avoid penalties. Many self-employed people find it easier to just base their payments on their previous year's taxes.
unemployment dosent hurt your return but it isnt free money either lol. I got laid off in 2023 and collected for 5 months. main things to know: 1) its taxable income. u will get a 1099-G form 2) withholding is OPTIONAL but smart!! check the box to withhold 10% federal 3) some states dont tax unemployment (mine does tho) 4) if u dont withhold u might need to make quarterly payments if its a lot of $$ i didnt withhold enough and owed $840 at tax time which sucked.
Liam McGuire
Make sure you understand that the withholding compliance program isn't punishment - it's the IRS's way of making sure you don't end up with a huge tax bill at the end of the year. If your withholding is currently set too low, you might think you're doing fine throughout the year but then get hit with a big payment due in April. I went through this a few years back when I started working as a contractor alongside my regular job. The extra withholding hurt my monthly budget a bit, but it was better than owing thousands in April with penalties and interest.
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Amara Eze
ā¢Can you request to just make quarterly estimated payments instead of having more taken from your paycheck? I do some freelance work and prefer to keep that money in my high-yield savings account until tax time.
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Liam McGuire
ā¢Yes, you absolutely can use quarterly estimated tax payments instead of increased withholding in most cases. You'll need to be proactive about it though - contact the IRS (which can be challenging) and explain that you want to satisfy the withholding compliance requirements through estimated payments. Make sure you calculate the correct amounts and pay on time (April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15). Keep excellent records of your payments too. The IRS might still keep you in the program until you've demonstrated compliance for a few quarters, but it's definitely an option if you prefer managing your cash flow that way.
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Giovanni Ricci
Just to share a different perspective - I got put on this program a couple years ago and it ended up being a good thing for my finances in the long run. I was chronically underwithholding and getting hit with surprise tax bills and penalties. The program forced me to have the right amount withheld. After a year, I requested a review and got released from the program, but I kept my withholding at the higher level. Now I actually get small refunds instead of owing thousands every April. It was annoying at first but ended up being a helpful correction to my tax situation.
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NeonNomad
ā¢How do you request a review to get out of the program? Is there a specific form?
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Giovanni Ricci
ā¢There's no specific form for requesting a review. You'll need to call the IRS at the number listed on your withholding compliance notice (usually the main 800-829-1040 number) and specifically ask for a review of your withholding compliance status. The key is to be able to demonstrate that you've been compliant with proper withholding for at least 6-12 months. They'll look at your payment history to confirm you're now withholding correctly before they'll release you from the program. I recommend calling after you've filed your next tax return showing full compliance, as that makes the strongest case.
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