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I'm a tax preparer in Washington state and deal with this specific situation often. The confusion comes from two different IRS provisions that sound similar but work differently: 1. QJV election: For UNINCORPORATED businesses only (not LLCs) where spouses can elect to file as a joint venture instead of a partnership. 2. Community property state exception: Spouses in community property states with LLCs can treat their entity as disregarded (each filing Schedule C) under Rev. Proc. 2002-69. If you've formed an LLC, you're looking at option #2, not QJV. The end result (filing Schedule Cs) might seem similar but the legal basis is different. One warning though - if you've been filing as a partnership and switch to disregarded entity treatment, that's technically a liquidation of the partnership which could have tax consequences. Get professional advice for that transition.
Thanks for this clear explanation! We haven't filed taxes for the LLC yet since we just formed it last year. So if I understand correctly, since we're in Arizona (community property state), we can treat our husband-wife LLC as a disregarded entity and each file a Schedule C, but this isn't technically using the QJV provision? Does this option have a specific name or form we need to reference when filing?
You're welcome! Yes, that's exactly right. Since you're in Arizona and haven't filed yet, you can start off treating your LLC as a disregarded entity without any transition issues. This treatment doesn't have a special name or require a specific election form. You simply file your Schedule C forms with your joint tax return. However, I recommend including a statement with your return explaining that you're treating the LLC as a disregarded entity under Rev. Proc. 2002-69 to make it clear to the IRS what you're doing. This isn't technically required but helps prevent confusion.
Has anyone done this in California specifically? My wife and I have an LLC but have been filing partnership returns. Our accountant never mentioned we had this option and we've been paying extra for the partnership returns every year.
Yes, I've done exactly this in California. Changed from filing Form 1065 (partnership) to Schedule C after learning about the community property state exception. Saved us about $400 in preparation fees plus simplified our quarterly estimated tax payments. You should know that switching from partnership to disregarded entity treatment is technically a partnership "liquidation" on paper though. We had to file a final partnership return the year we switched. I'd recommend getting professional help for the transition year.
Your 1868 tax return might actually be worth some money to collectors. My friend works at a historical auction house and documents from Brooklyn during that era can fetch good prices, especially work-related items like a traveling salesman's tax forms. The 5% tax rate documentation from that specific period has historical significance too. Before you donate it, you might want to get it appraised. Just make sure whoever handles it uses proper preservation techniques - those old documents can be fragile!
Any recommendations on where to get historical documents appraised without risking damage? I have some old property tax records from 1880s Manhattan that I've been keeping in a box.
For historical document appraisals, I'd recommend contacting a reputable auction house like Christie's or Sotheby's for high-value items, or a local auction house that specializes in historical documents if you want something less intimidating. They typically have experts who know how to handle fragile items. Another great option is to reach out to university libraries with special collections departments, particularly ones with focuses on economic or New York history. Places like NYU or Columbia have experts who can give you information about the historical significance while properly handling the documents. They often offer free consultations even if you're not planning to donate, and they use archival-quality gloves and proper lighting to prevent damage.
Wait this is so random but my dissertation was actually on tax history in NY from 1850-1900! The 5% federal tax rate in 1868 was part of the "Revenue Act" which was originally a Civil War funding measure. Fun fact: the income tax was actually repealed in 1872, then ruled unconstitutional in 1895, and didn't come back permanently until the 16th Amendment in 1913! For a traveling salesman in Brooklyn, there would have also been some local taxes beyond just the federal 5%. And the comparison to today is mind-blowing - not just the rates but the complexity. The entire tax code back then was just a few pages compared to today's thousands of pages of regulations!
That's fascinating! Did traveling salesmen get any special tax treatment back then? Like deductions for being on the road?
Gotta disagree with some advice here. I'm a volunteer with VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance) and see this situation all the time. Your cousin might still qualify for HOH even with the audit. Here's the key: HOH requires 1) being unmarried, 2) paying more than half the cost of keeping up a home, and 3) having a qualifying person live with you for more than half the year. If his son lived with him for more than 6 months, he can potentially keep HOH status even if he loses the claims for the niece and nephew. The tax difference is significant - roughly $7,300 more in standard deduction for HOH vs Single in 2024. Plus HOH gets better tax brackets. Also, he should check if he qualifies for Earned Income Credit with just his son - might offset some of the loss from the other dependents.
Thanks for this info! Do you know what specific documentation he should prioritize gathering to prove his son lived with him? The tax preparer mentioned school records but I'm wondering what else would be helpful.
He should prioritize documentation that spans the entire year to show the child lived with him for more than half of it. School records are excellent, but he should also gather: Medical records showing him as the parent bringing the child to appointments, along with his address. Childcare receipts with his address and son's name are extremely valuable if he has any. Cell phone bills showing communication with the school or child if applicable. Bank statements showing regular purchases for child supplies at locations near his home can help establish a pattern. If he receives any state benefits for the child or has the child on his health insurance, those documents are golden. Also, any court documents about custody arrangements are crucial if they exist. The more documentation spanning different months of the year, the stronger his case will be.
This situation is so confusing to me. My understanding was you can't claim kids that aren't yours? But then others are saying you can claim neices and nephews? what are the actual rules?? I'm getting ready to file for 2024 and my sister's kids live with me so i need to know.
You absolutely can claim nieces and nephews or other relatives if they meet the IRS tests for qualifying dependents. They need to live with you for more than half the year, you need to provide more than half their support, they can't provide more than half their own support, and they can't be claimed by anyone else.
Having been through a divorce with tax complications myself, I'd suggest getting everything in writing regarding that inherited IRA. Make sure your divorce agreement specifically states that your ex is solely responsible for any taxes, penalties, or interest related to the inherited IRA distribution. Even if you file separately, the IRS can sometimes come after both spouses if they believe there was a joint benefit from the income. Having clear documentation in your divorce settlement that the IRA and all related tax obligations belong exclusively to your ex can provide additional protection.
That's excellent advice I hadn't considered. Our attorneys are still drafting the initial separation agreement, so I'll make sure to include specific language about the inherited IRA tax liability. Would it be helpful to also include language about any potential future audits related to that money?
Absolutely include language about potential future audits! You want the agreement to cover not just the current known tax liability, but any future claims, audits, penalties, or interest that might arise related to that inherited IRA distribution. It's also worth specifying that your ex must provide proof of payment of these taxes as part of the divorce settlement. That way you have documentation that the tax obligation was satisfied, which can protect you if questions come up years later. Many people don't realize the IRS can look back several years, so protecting yourself long-term is important when untangling finances in a divorce.
Has anyone addressed how timing might affect this decision? If you're starting divorce negotiations now but won't be finalizing until later in the year, that could impact the best filing choice for 2025 taxes.
Great point! Your tax filing status is determined by your marital status on December 31st of the tax year. If the divorce isn't finalized by then, they'll still be considered married for tax purposes and can choose either MFJ or MFS. If it is finalized by then, they'd file as single or possibly head of household.
Thanks for confirming that. I should have mentioned I went through this last year - our divorce wasn't finalized until February this year, so we had to make the MFJ vs MFS decision for last year's taxes. We ended up filing separately despite some lost deductions because my ex had some serious tax issues I wanted to avoid. Definitely worth the peace of mind even though it cost me about $800 more in taxes.
Giovanni Colombo
Just FYI - I'm a tax preparer, and one thing many people don't realize is that penalties can be reduced or eliminated through the IRS First Time Penalty Abatement program if you have a clean compliance history (meaning you've filed and paid on time for the past 3 years). Even if you owe money and face penalties, you might be able to get them removed. Worth asking about if you end up owing!
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QuantumQuester
ā¢Would this apply in my situation? I've always filed on time before - this is literally the first year I've ever missed. Are there special forms I need to fill out to request the abatement?
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Giovanni Colombo
ā¢Yes, this would absolutely apply to your situation! The First Time Penalty Abatement is specifically designed for people who have been compliant in the past but had a one-time issue. You don't need special forms - you can request it by phone when you call the IRS, or include a penalty abatement request letter with your late return explaining your situation. You can also request it after receiving a penalty notice. Just be sure to mention "First Time Penalty Abatement" specifically when you make the request.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
Did anyone else end up owing way more than expected when they filed late? I missed filing last year and when I finally did it, I owed like $2400 including penalties. Freaking out about this year now.
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Dylan Cooper
ā¢Make sure you're still withholding enough from your paychecks. I had the same issue because I had accidentally claimed too many allowances on my W-4, so not enough tax was being taken out during the year. Fixed that and now I'm good.
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