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NebulaKnight

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The structuring point is really important - that's something you definitely need to discuss with your tax attorney. If you were making regular deposits just under $10k, that could escalate this beyond a simple underreporting issue. But here's what I want you to focus on right now: you're taking all the right steps. You're getting professional help, you're willing to be honest, and you're prepared to make things right. That puts you in a much better position than someone who tries to hide or fight it. I went through something similar a few years back (not as much money involved, but still scary). The anticipation and anxiety were honestly worse than the actual resolution. The IRS worked with me on a payment plan, and while I paid penalties, it wasn't the life-ending disaster I thought it would be. Document everything you can remember about your deposits - dates, amounts, which clients paid you. Your attorney will help you organize this properly. And try to get some sleep - I know it's hard, but you'll need to be clear-headed for your meeting.

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Alice Coleman

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Thanks for the perspective - it really helps to hear from someone who's been through this. I've been barely sleeping since I got that letter, so you're probably right about needing to be clear-headed. I'm trying to remember my deposit patterns now. I think most of my deposits were between $200-800 from individual jobs, with maybe a few larger ones around $1,500-2,000 when I did bigger projects. Nothing close to $10k, so hopefully that structuring thing isn't an issue for me. I've been going through my phone trying to find old text messages with clients about payments and dates. It's amazing how much you forget when you're not keeping proper records. Definitely learned my lesson about organization the hard way. Meeting with the attorney tomorrow morning. Hoping once I have a professional game plan, some of this anxiety will calm down.

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Dana Doyle

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You're in a tough spot, but try not to spiral into worst-case scenarios. Based on what you've described - deposit amounts between $200-2,000 from legitimate work - this doesn't sound like the kind of case that leads to criminal prosecution. The fact that you had a regular W-2 job and were doing honest work (just underreporting) works in your favor. The IRS sees a big difference between someone running an illegal business versus someone who did legitimate work but messed up their taxes. Your attorney meeting tomorrow is crucial. Come prepared with whatever documentation you can gather - even text messages with clients can help establish the legitimate nature of your work. Be completely honest about everything, including how disorganized you were with record-keeping. One thing that might help your case: if you can demonstrate that some of those bank deposits were business expenses being reimbursed (materials, gas, etc.) rather than pure profit, that reduces your actual unreported income. Your attorney can help you figure out what's reasonable to claim. The waiting and uncertainty are brutal, but you're handling this the right way. Most people in your situation end up with payment plans and penalties, not prison time.

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LunarLegend

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I'm dealing with something similar right now. My long-time tax preparer retired and the new firm wants me to sign what they call a "client engagement letter" but it's basically the same thing you're describing. From what I've researched, these agreements became more common after some high-profile lawsuits where clients sued preparers for issues that weren't really the preparer's fault. The agreements help clarify who's responsible for what. That said, I'd definitely read it carefully before signing. Make sure it doesn't completely absolve them of responsibility for their own errors or negligence. A fair agreement should protect them from liability when you provide wrong information, but they should still be accountable for their own mistakes. Has your tax guy given you any guidance on what changed since the sale? Might be worth asking him directly about the new policies.

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Niko Ramsey

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That's really helpful context about the lawsuits driving these agreements. I haven't had a chance to talk to my tax guy yet since he's been swamped with tax season, but I'll definitely ask him when things calm down. You're right about reading it carefully - I've been going through it line by line and most of it seems reasonable. There's one clause about "client acknowledges preparer is not liable for penalties or interest resulting from client-provided information" which makes sense, but then it gets a bit vague about what constitutes "client-provided information." Did your engagement letter have specific language about audit support? That's one thing I want to make sure is covered since my previous preparer always said he'd help if I got audited.

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Yes, my engagement letter does include audit support - it specifies that they'll represent me for any issues directly related to their preparation of my return at no additional charge. However, if the audit reveals issues with prior years they didn't prepare, or if I failed to provide complete information, then there are additional fees. Regarding that vague language about "client-provided information" - I'd definitely ask for clarification on that. In my letter, they defined it pretty clearly as any documents, records, or verbal information I give them. The key thing is making sure they're still liable if they misinterpret or incorrectly enter information you provided accurately. One thing I learned is that you can often negotiate these agreements if something seems unreasonable. They're not set in stone, especially if you've been a long-term client. Worth having that conversation with your tax guy when he has more time.

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I went through something very similar when my CPA of 15 years sold to a regional chain. The new firm immediately sent me a 4-page "service agreement" that felt more like legal protection than a service contract. After reading through it and doing some research, I learned these agreements became standard practice around 2018-2020, largely due to increased litigation against tax preparers. The COVID-era changes to tax laws also made preparers more cautious about liability. The key things I looked for in mine were: 1) Clear definition of what constitutes "reasonable care" on their part, 2) Specific language about correcting their own errors at no charge, 3) Audit representation clauses, and 4) Data security provisions. My advice? Don't sign anything that makes you uncomfortable, but also recognize that most reputable firms won't work without one nowadays. If the language seems too broad or one-sided, ask for modifications. I successfully negotiated two clauses in mine that were too vague about their responsibilities. The transition from small independent preparers to larger firms definitely changes the dynamic, but it doesn't necessarily mean worse service - just more formalized processes.

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Has anyone considered whether this transaction might also trigger Form 8865 requirements instead of Form 926? If the foreign business is structured as a partnership rather than a corporation, Form 8865 would be the correct form. OP, what's the legal structure of your foreign business?

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This is a great point. I went down this exact rabbit hole last year. The determining factor is whether the entity is treated as a corporation or partnership for US tax purposes, which doesn't always match how it's categorized in the foreign country. Drove me insane trying to figure it out!

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Great question about entity classification! You're absolutely right that this is crucial. @Carmen Ortiz - you mentioned it's a "family business overseas" but the specific legal structure matters enormously for US tax purposes. If it's organized as a corporation in the foreign country, you'll likely need Form 926. But if it's a partnership, LLC, or similar pass-through entity, then Form 8865 would be the correct form instead. The tricky part is that some foreign entities can elect how they want to be treated for US tax purposes (called "check-the-box" elections), so even a foreign LLC might be treated as a corporation if an election was made. Do you know what type of entity it is under local law? And more importantly, do you know if any elections have been made for US tax treatment? This will determine which forms you need to file.

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NeonNebula

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This is such an important distinction that I completely overlooked initially! I'm actually not 100% sure about the exact legal structure - I know it's registered as a company in the local jurisdiction, but you're right that the US tax treatment could be different. I should probably dig into the incorporation documents to see exactly what type of entity it is and whether any elections were made for US purposes. Would the wrong form filing be considered a failure to file the correct form, or would the IRS give some credit for attempting to report the transaction? I'm worried I might pick the wrong one!

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Mei Zhang

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I think everyone's missing something important - if you normally owe $6500 in taxes, and you're retired, why aren't you having taxes withheld from your pension/retirement distributions? That would solve this whole quarterly payment issue. You could increase your withholding for a few months to cover your estimated tax liability for the year, then reduce it back to normal. Withholding is treated as happening evenly throughout the year even if it doesn't, which gives you more flexibility than quarterly payments.

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That's actually a really interesting point I hadn't considered. We do have some taxes withheld from our pension, but not enough to cover everything since we also have investment income. I could definitely increase the withholding amount temporarily. Do you know if withholding is always treated as occurring evenly throughout the year, even if I increase it for just a few months? That could be a much simpler solution than dealing with quarterly payments!

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Mei Zhang

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Yes, that's one of the best "secrets" about tax withholding - the IRS treats withholding as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, even if you withhold it all in December! This is very different from estimated payments, which must be made quarterly. So you could increase your pension withholding for a few months to cover your entire expected 2024 tax liability, and the IRS will treat it as if you made timely payments throughout the year. This is completely legitimate and often the simplest solution for retirees. Just contact whoever administers your pension and ask them to temporarily increase your withholding rate. Much easier than dealing with quarterly payments and potentially having to file Form 2210.

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The withholding strategy mentioned by Mei Zhang is absolutely brilliant and often overlooked! I'm a retired tax preparer and this was one of my favorite solutions for clients in similar situations. Since you're already having some taxes withheld from your pension, you can simply contact your pension administrator and request a temporary increase in withholding to cover your expected 2024 tax liability (around $6,500 based on your normal income). You could even have them withhold the entire amount over just a few months if that works better for your cash flow. The beauty of this approach is that it completely eliminates the need for quarterly estimated payments AND provides automatic Safe Harbor protection. The IRS will treat that withholding as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, so you won't need to worry about Form 2210 or any penalty calculations. This is much simpler than trying to convince your accountant about annualized income methods or dealing with the complexity of estimated payments after a one-time inheritance. Just increase withholding temporarily, then reduce it back to normal once you've covered your expected tax liability for the year.

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Hugo Kass

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Anyone else notice the verification process is way more strict this year? Had to upload like 10 different documents smh

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fr they asked for my first born child and blood type too 🤣

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Teresa Boyd

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Been stuck with code 810 for 8 weeks now after completing verification through id.me. Called the hotline last week and they said everything looks good on their end, just waiting for the system to process. The waiting game is brutal but at least we're not alone in this! Keep checking your transcripts every Friday morning - that's when most updates seem to happen.

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Friday mornings - good tip! I've been checking randomly but that makes sense. Week 6 here and getting antsy but your post gives me some hope that things are still moving even if slowly. Did they give you any kind of timeframe when you called?

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Omar Farouk

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They just said the standard "9 weeks from verification date" but the rep seemed pretty confident it would move soon since all my docs were approved. Fingers crossed for both of us! šŸ¤ž The Friday morning thing I learned from lurking on other tax forums - seems like IRS batch processes updates overnight Thursday into Friday.

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