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Don't forget to check your state tax rules too! Some states have more generous casualty loss provisions than federal, especially for declared disasters. In my state, we were able to deduct 100% of our hurricane losses on our state return even though we couldn't on the federal return because of the AGI limitation. Saved us about $300 on state taxes.
Good point! I think Florida doesn't have state income tax though, right? So if OP is in Florida where Milton hit hardest, this wouldn't apply. But definitely helpful for people in other states affected by the hurricane.
You're absolutely right about Florida not having state income tax - my mistake! I should have checked which states were in Milton's path before commenting. For anyone in Georgia or other states that were affected and do have state income tax, it's still worth checking your state's specific rules. Some states follow federal tax treatment for disasters while others have their own provisions. Thanks for the correction!
I went through this exact same situation with my fence after Hurricane Ian a couple years ago. One thing that really helped me was documenting the original installation cost and age of the fence - the IRS agent I spoke with said this was crucial for calculating the basis. Since you paid $3,900 for replacement and didn't file insurance, make sure you keep those contractor receipts. Also, if you can find any records of what you originally paid for the fence installation, that will help with the fair market value calculations Sofia mentioned. The federally declared disaster area status is definitely beneficial - it gives you that option to amend last year's return if it results in a bigger refund. I ended up doing that and got money back within about 8 weeks, which was much faster than waiting for this year's filing season. Just make sure to write "Hurricane Milton" on your return so the IRS knows it's disaster-related.
This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with hurricane damage too and wondering - when you amended your previous year's return, did you have to file a completely new Form 4684 or could you just attach it to the amended return? Also, do you remember if there was a deadline for choosing between claiming it on the current year vs. amending the previous year? I want to make sure I don't miss any time limits.
I completely understand your stress about waiting for mail! As someone who's been through this exact situation, let me reassure you - if you e-filed and selected direct deposit, you most likely won't receive ANY mail from the IRS unless there's an issue with your return. The IRS stopped sending routine acknowledgment letters for e-filed returns back in 2021. Your best bet is to check the "Where's My Refund" tool on the IRS website (it's completely free) rather than obsessively checking your mailbox. I filed around the same time as you last year and got my refund deposited without ever receiving a single piece of mail. The tool will show you exactly where your return is in the process and give you a timeline for when to expect your refund. Save yourself the daily mailbox anxiety - the online tool is way more reliable than waiting for correspondence that probably isn't coming!
This is so reassuring to hear! I've been in the same boat - filed in late January and have been anxiously checking my mailbox every single day expecting some kind of confirmation letter. It's good to know that no mail is actually normal for e-filed returns with direct deposit. I just checked the Where's My Refund tool for the first time after reading your comment and it shows my return is still being processed, which at least gives me some peace of mind that it's in the system. Thanks for explaining about the 2021 change - I had no idea they stopped sending those acknowledgment letters!
I totally get the mailbox-checking anxiety! I went through this same exact situation when I filed in January last year. Here's what I learned: if you e-filed with direct deposit, you're probably not getting any mail at all unless there's a problem. The IRS basically went paperless for routine stuff a few years ago. Instead of driving yourself crazy checking the mailbox, use the "Where's My Refund" tool on the IRS website - it's free and way more accurate than waiting for mail that's probably never coming. I checked mine obsessively every morning until my refund hit my bank account with zero mail correspondence. The tool will tell you if there are any issues or delays, and honestly it's much faster than waiting weeks for a letter. Your January 22nd filing date means you're right in that 21-day processing window, so hopefully you'll see movement on the tool soon!
Just a heads up - if you file and pay your back taxes, make sure you also remember to CHARGE AND COLLECT the correct sales tax going forward!!! Seems obvious but I made this mistake. I was so focused on fixing the past problem that I didn't immediately update my online shop to start collecting sales tax, and it caused me a whole second headache. Most e-commerce platforms (Shopify, Etsy, etc.) have built-in tools to automatically calculate and collect the right sales tax rates. Turn those on ASAP so you don't dig yourself a deeper hole while trying to fix the original problem.
Do you know if the marketplace platforms like Etsy collect and remit the tax automatically now? I thought they started doing that so small sellers don't have to worry about it anymore.
I work for a state revenue department and wanted to clarify something important about marketplace facilitator laws. As of 2019-2021, most states (including yours likely) passed laws requiring large online marketplaces like Etsy, Amazon, eBay, etc. to collect and remit sales tax on behalf of sellers. HOWEVER - this only applies to sales made THROUGH those platforms. If you're selling directly through your own website, at craft fairs, or through other channels, you're still responsible for collecting and remitting the tax yourself. The good news for your situation is that if some of your sales were through marketplaces during the period in question, you can subtract those amounts from your total liability since the platforms should have already handled the tax collection and remittance for those transactions. When you respond to the revenue department, make sure to break down your sales by channel - marketplace sales vs. direct sales. This could significantly reduce what you actually owe. Also, don't forget that many states have small seller exemptions (usually around $100K in sales or 200 transactions annually), so double-check if you even exceeded the threshold that would require registration.
25 One thing nobody's mentioned yet: you might need to pay STATE taxes too, not just federal! For me in California, I set aside an extra 8% just for state taxes on top of the 25% for federal. Check your state tax rates and factor that in!
Great point about state taxes! Since you're in Ohio, you'll need to factor in Ohio state income tax too. Ohio has a progressive income tax rate that ranges from 0% to 3.99%. For your income level (around $24k annually), you're probably looking at around 1-2% for state taxes. So I'd recommend setting aside about 27-30% total: roughly 25% for federal (income + self-employment tax) and 2-3% for Ohio state taxes. Ohio also requires quarterly estimated payments just like federal, so you can usually pay both at the same time. Don't forget Ohio also has local income taxes in many cities - check if your city has additional income tax requirements. Some cities in Ohio charge an additional 1-3% on top of state taxes. You can check the Ohio Department of Taxation website to see what applies to your specific location.
Andre Rousseau
I'm confused about whether the answer to the TurboTax question affects anything in the actual tax forms that get submitted to the IRS. Does answering "yes" to their question about prior disaster distributions actually show up anywhere on your final tax return?
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Zoe Stavros
ā¢The question is mainly for TurboTax's internal processing to determine what forms and questions to present to you next. Your "yes" answer by itself doesn't necessarily appear directly on a tax form, but it helps the software determine if it needs to generate certain forms or ask additional questions. In this specific case, even though saying "yes" might prompt some additional questions, you've already completed the 3-year reporting requirement, so it shouldn't result in any additional tax forms being generated for your 2023 return. It's more of a screening question than something that directly impacts your tax forms.
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Rudy Cenizo
I just went through this exact same scenario with my 2023 taxes! I had a COVID-related disaster distribution in 2020 and used the 3-year spread option. TurboTax kept asking about prior disaster distributions and I was worried I'd mess something up. What helped me was understanding that the question is really just TurboTax trying to figure out if there are any ongoing tax implications from previous distributions. Since you've already completed your 3-year reporting cycle (2020-2022), there's nothing more to report for that specific distribution. I ended up answering "yes" to the question, and TurboTax walked me through a few follow-up questions but ultimately didn't generate any additional forms for 2023. The software is smart enough to recognize when you've completed the reporting requirements. One tip: keep copies of your 2020-2022 returns with the 8915-E and 8915-F forms handy in case you need to reference the amounts you previously reported. It gave me peace of mind to double-check that everything added up correctly across the three years.
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