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One important thing to understand about FICA taxes that nobody mentioned yet - unlike federal income tax where you can get deductions and credits, there are very few ways to reduce your FICA tax burden legally. The main exceptions are: 1) Contributing to a Health Savings Account (HSA) 2) Contributing to a dependent care FSA 3) Some medical premium payments These come out pre-FICA as well as pre-income tax. But things like your 401k contributions - while they reduce your federal income tax - don't reduce your FICA taxes. That's a common misconception.
Oh that's super helpful! I actually have an HSA through my employer. So you're saying my HSA contributions reduce not just my income tax but also what I pay for Social Security and Medicare? Does this apply to the additional 0.9% Medicare tax too since I'm over the threshold?
Yes, HSA contributions through your employer's payroll reduce both income tax and FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare). This is one reason why HSAs are considered triple-tax advantaged - tax-free contributions, tax-free growth, and tax-free withdrawals for qualified medical expenses. Regarding the additional 0.9% Medicare surtax - yes, HSA contributions can help reduce exposure to this as well since they lower your FICA wage base. However, since you're earning $245k and the threshold is $200k for single filers, you'll still have income subject to the additional Medicare tax even after maxing out an HSA (which has a contribution limit of $4,150 for individual coverage in 2025).
Just FYI, for 2025 the Social Security wage cap is $168,600 (someone above mentioned this), but wanted to clarify that the Medicare portion of FICA (1.45%) applies to ALL of your income no matter how high. Then there's that additional 0.9% Medicare tax that kicks in after $200k if ur single. I earn about 230k and the Medicare tax is the one that surprises ppl when they get to higher income levels. U never stop paying it no matter how much u make!
As a small business owner who's operated as both a sole prop and an LLC, here's a practical breakdown: Things an LLC DOESN'T do: - Give you special tax deductions - Automatically lower your taxes - Change how you file (unless you elect different tax treatment) Things an LLC DOES do: - Protect personal assets from business liabilities - Add credibility with some clients/vendors - Cost money to form and maintain ($50-$500 depending on state) - Require additional paperwork/compliance The tax benefits people associate with LLCs usually come from making an S-Corp election, which lets you pay yourself partly as salary (subject to self-employment tax) and partly as distributions (not subject to SE tax). But that's a tax election, not an LLC feature.
What about writing off health insurance? Someone told me LLC owners can deduct health insurance but sole props can't. Is that true?
That's actually not correct. Both sole proprietors and LLC owners can deduct health insurance premiums on their personal tax returns. This is called the self-employed health insurance deduction, and it's available to anyone with self-employment income, regardless of business structure. The rules for deducting health insurance are the same whether you're a sole prop or an LLC taxed as a sole prop. It's an "above-the-line" deduction on your personal return, not a business expense on Schedule C. The business structure doesn't change your eligibility for this deduction.
My accountant explained it to me like this: "An LLC is like a box. The box itself doesn't change what's inside or how it's taxed. It just separates it from your personal stuff." I thought that was a really helpful way to think about it. The LLC is just a container that provides legal protection. What's inside (your business activities) and how it's taxed depends on what tax classification you choose (sole prop by default, or elect S-Corp/C-Corp).
I think everyone's missing a critical point here. The original poster said her daughter is PAYING her $1,800 a month for childcare. That's absolutely income, not support! The IRS would consider this self-employment income from providing childcare services. The adult daughter can't have it both ways - either she's employing her mother as a childcare provider (in which case it's income and mom can't be a dependent) OR she's supporting her mother (in which case, why is she "paying" her at all?). Also, the daughter doesn't get to decide whether mom applies for Medicaid or not. That's mom's decision entirely. Sounds like the daughter is trying to manipulate the situation for her own tax benefit without considering how it affects her mother's healthcare access and financial future.
I agree this sounds like employment income, but doesn't the fact that they're family members change things? I thought there were special rules for family caregiving arrangements?
Family relationships don't fundamentally change the nature of the payments. The IRS looks at the economic reality of the arrangement. If someone is providing childcare services and receiving regular payments that look like compensation, the family relationship doesn't automatically convert that to "support." There are some special rules for family employment situations (like certain FICA tax exemptions for parents employing their children under 18), but those generally don't apply to adult children paying parents. The key question is whether the payments are contingent on providing services (which makes them income) or would continue regardless of services provided (which might make them support).
Something nobody's mentioned - if your daughter is paying you for childcare, she might be eligible for the Child and Dependent Care Credit on her taxes! That could be why she's pushing this arrangement. But here's the catch - she can't claim both you as a dependent AND claim the childcare credit for payments made to you. The IRS specifically prohibits claiming the childcare credit for payments made to someone claimed as a dependent. So if she's insisting on claiming you as a dependent, it suggests she's calculated that's worth more to her than the childcare credit. Either way, you should understand your options. At your age, giving up your job has long-term consequences for retirement. Make sure you're protecting yourself!
Thank you all for this helpful information. I had no idea about the Child and Dependent Care Credit - that might explain my daughter's motivation. The distinction between income and support makes sense now. I'm going to have a serious conversation with my daughter about properly classifying these payments and making sure we're both protected. I'm also going to look into my Medicaid options regardless of what she wants - my healthcare needs to be a priority. I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain these complex issues!
Just to add another perspective - make sure you also check if you're eligible for the Saver's Credit (Form 8880) when you contribute to your Roth IRA. I missed out on this for several years before a friend told me about it. The income limits are higher than many people realize, especially if you're married filing jointly.
How much of a credit can you actually get from this? Is it worth the hassle of filling out another form?
The credit can be up to 50% of your retirement contributions depending on your income level, with a maximum credit of $1,000 for individuals or $2,000 for married couples filing jointly. Even at lower percentages (20% or 10% based on higher income levels), it's definitely worth filling out the form. Form 8880 is actually pretty simple - it only takes about 5 minutes to complete if you already know your retirement contribution amounts. For example, if you contributed $3,000 to your Roth IRA and qualify for the 20% credit rate, that's a $600 reduction in your tax bill - not just a deduction, but a dollar-for-dollar reduction in taxes owed. That's significant for just a few minutes of work!
Don't forget that while you don't report Roth IRA contributions, you DO need to report any conversions from Traditional to Roth IRAs! Made that mistake last year and got a letter from the IRS. š¬
Yes! This is super important. I did a backdoor Roth conversion last year and had to report it on Form 8606. My tax software (TaxAct) actually didn't prompt me for this correctly and I had to manually add the form.
Harper Thompson
Watch out for the tax treaty implications too! What country is your spouse in? Some countries have specific tax treaties with the US that can affect your situation.
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Caleb Stark
ā¢Good point! I'm not the OP but my wife is in Japan and their tax treaty definitely complicated things for us.
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Chris King
ā¢She's in Thailand. I hadn't even thought about tax treaties! Is there something specific I should be looking at in the Thailand-US tax treaty?
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Jade O'Malley
I messed this up last year and had to amend my return. Filed as single when I should have used married filing separately. Cost me an extra $800 in penalties and interest, plus the amendment fee my tax guy charged. Don't make my mistake!!!
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Hunter Edmunds
ā¢Did the IRS catch this on their own or did you realize the mistake first?
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Jade O'Malley
ā¢I realized it after talking to a coworker in a similar situation. The IRS hadn't caught it yet, but I didn't want to risk an audit later. My tax preparer said they're getting more sophisticated with their systems for catching filing status discrepancies, especially if there's any history of you being married in their records (like previous joint returns, or if your spouse had previously been in the US). Better to fix it voluntarily than have them come after you later with bigger penalties!
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