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I think we're missing something important here. The sharks aren't just passive investors - they're using their TV fame to promote these businesses. That's why they often talk about "opening doors" or using their "platform." Wouldn't the IRS consider that material participation? Like when Lori gets something on QVC or Robert promotes a fitness product on social media?
Good point! I wonder if they have specific contractual arrangements that separate their promotional activities from their investment activities for tax purposes. Like maybe they get paid separately as "brand ambassadors" or consultants?
This is a fascinating discussion! One thing that might complicate the tax picture even more is that some of these Shark Tank deals involve multiple revenue streams. For example, a shark might get equity, royalties, AND licensing fees all from the same investment. The IRS would likely treat each income stream differently - the royalties as passive income on Schedule E, licensing fees potentially as active income if there's ongoing involvement, and equity distributions based on the material participation test we discussed earlier. Also, I think the promotional aspect @NebulaNinja mentioned is huge. When Mark Cuban tweets about a company or Lori gets a product on QVC, that's not just casual promotion - that's strategic business development that could easily qualify as material participation. The sharks are essentially using their personal brands as business assets, which makes the active vs passive classification even more complex. It would be interesting to know if they track their promotional activities and social media posts as "business hours" for tax purposes!
One thing to consider - the American Opportunity Tax Credit your parents claimed might actually have been correct if they were supporting you. That credit can be claimed by whoever claims you as a dependent. But the taxable portion of scholarships above qualified education expenses is always taxable to the student, regardless of dependent status. A lot of students and parents don't realize these are separate issues. If I were you, I'd file the late return for 2023 and request first-time penalty abatement. The IRS is generally pretty understanding for first-time issues, especially with students who didn't understand the filing requirements.
Thanks for the insight! Do you know what counts as qualified education expenses? I'm wondering if some of what I thought was taxable scholarship money might actually have covered qualified expenses that I'm not aware of. Also, if I do need to file for 2023, would I use that year's tax forms or current ones?
Qualified education expenses include tuition, required fees, and required course materials. So things like mandatory lab fees, required textbooks, and supplies required for your courses would count. Room and board, transportation, and optional expenses don't qualify. You would need to use the tax forms for 2023, not current forms. You can find these on the IRS website in their prior year forms section. Make sure to write "Filed Late" across the top of the first page so it's properly processed. And definitely include a brief statement explaining why you're filing late - your misunderstanding of the requirements as a dependent student is a valid reason to request penalty abatement.
Just wanted to add that the standard deduction for 2023 was $12,950 for single filers. So even if you had $14,700 in taxable scholarship income, your actual taxable income after the standard deduction would be around $1,750, putting your tax liability much lower than you're calculating. Also, don't forget that scholarships that go toward qualified education expenses (tuition, fees, books required for courses) aren't taxable. Only the portion that exceeds these expenses or goes toward room and board is taxable.
Is that standard deduction amount different for dependents though? I thought there was a special calculation for dependents that resulted in a much lower standard deduction.
You're absolutely right to question that! For dependents in 2023, the standard deduction was actually limited to the greater of $1,250 OR their earned income plus $400 (up to the regular standard deduction of $12,950). Since scholarship income is considered unearned income, a dependent with only scholarship income would likely only get the $1,250 standard deduction. This means @Sean Flanagan s'taxable income would be closer to $13,450 $14,700 (- $1,250 ,)making the tax liability significantly higher than what @Carmen Vega calculated. This is a really important distinction that trips up a lot of students!
11 Has anyone actually received their 1099-K from Venmo yet for last year? I've sold way more than the $600 threshold but nothing has shown up in my account or email. Getting a bit nervous as I want to file my taxes soon.
17 They don't usually send them out until late January at the earliest. Sometimes even early February. I wouldn't worry yet - they legally have to provide it by January 31st. One year mine came on literally the last possible day. If nothing arrives by Feb 1st, then you should contact them.
Just wanted to share my experience for anyone still waiting on their 1099-K forms. I was in the same boat as the original poster - made about $850 through Venmo selling various items on Facebook Marketplace. I found my 1099-K in my Venmo account under Settings > Tax Documents about a week ago. It wasn't emailed to me automatically, so definitely check your account directly. The form lumps everything together as one gross amount, which initially freaked me out because I thought I'd owe taxes on money I made selling my old couch and textbooks at a loss. The key thing I learned is that the 1099-K is just an informational document - it doesn't mean you automatically owe taxes on that full amount. You'll need to determine on your own which transactions were actual taxable income versus personal property sales. Keep good records of what you originally paid for items you sold, especially if you sold them for less than you bought them for. For anyone still having trouble accessing their forms or getting through to customer service, the suggestions about third-party services in this thread seem legitimate based on other people's experiences. Tax season is stressful enough without fighting with payment app customer service!
I successfully resolved this exact issue last month! I created an online account at IRS.gov which gave me access to my tax records and allowed me to update my address electronically. The change was reflected in their system within 3 business days according to the agent I spoke with later. You'll need to verify your identity through ID.me first, which requires a government ID and facial recognition. The whole process took about 20 minutes and I've been receiving all IRS correspondence correctly since then. Much faster than waiting for paper forms to process!
I went through this nightmare last year! What worked for me was doing BOTH Form 8822 AND calling the IRS directly to update it over the phone. The form takes forever to process, but the phone update was immediate. I also recommend requesting a "centralized authorization file" (CAF) number if you work with a tax professional - it helps ensure all your correspondence goes to the right place. One thing nobody mentions is that different IRS departments sometimes have different addresses on file for you, so you might need to update it in multiple places. Also, keep detailed records of when you submitted everything because if you get penalized for missed notices, you'll need proof that you properly notified them of your address change. The IRS has a "reasonable cause" provision for penalties if you can show you never received the notices due to their error.
Zainab Ibrahim
Don't forget that if you have foreign financial accounts with aggregate value over $10,000 at any point during the year, you also need to file an FBAR (FinCEN Form 114). That's separate from the Section 988 currency gain issue but often applies to people in similar situations. The penalties for not filing FBAR are way worse than messing up the currency gain reporting.
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Giovanni Rossi
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this! Do the FBAR requirements still apply if the account was only temporarily over $10k? My account was usually around $7k but went over $10k for about 3 weeks when I was in between apartments and had my housing deposit in there.
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Zainab Ibrahim
ā¢Yes, the FBAR requirement applies if your aggregate foreign account balances exceeded $10,000 at ANY point during the year, even if it was just for a single day. The rule looks at the maximum balance, not the average or the year-end balance. In your case, since the account went over $10k for about 3 weeks, you definitely need to file the FBAR. The "aggregate" part is also important - if you had multiple accounts that totaled over $10k when combined, the requirement would still apply even if no single account exceeded that amount.
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Connor O'Neill
Make sure you're keeping good records of the exchange rates on the exact dates of your transactions. The IRS wants to see that you're using either the actual exchange rate from your bank statements or an official government rate source. I learned this the hard way when they questioned my Section 988 calculations during a review.
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LunarEclipse
ā¢What's the best source for historical exchange rates if my bank didn't provide the actual rates they used? I have transactions from 2023 that I need to report.
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Omar Zaki
ā¢The IRS accepts several official sources for historical exchange rates. The Federal Reserve's H.10 release has daily exchange rates going back years and is widely accepted. You can also use xe.com's historical rates or the Treasury's exchange rate portal. Just make sure you're consistent with whichever source you choose and document it in case of questions. I've used the Federal Reserve rates for my Section 988 calculations without any issues during reviews.
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