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Another approach is to use the DRAFT versions of forms that the IRS posts before final versions. They're at irs.gov/draftforms. They usually post these a few months before final versions. Just remember you can't file draft forms! But you can use them to prepare and then transfer the info to the final form when released.
I did this last year and it backfired badly. The final 5500-EZ had different line numbers than the draft version and I had to redo everything. Not worth the hassle!
Thanks everyone for the helpful advice! I was definitely leaning toward just modifying the 2023 form but I'm glad I asked here first. @Jackson Carter your explanation about the forms being year-specific really cleared things up for me. I'll wait for the official 2024 version to be released rather than risk processing delays or penalties. In the meantime, I'll sign up for those IRS e-News subscriptions that @Ella rollingthunder87 mentioned - that sounds like a much better way to stay on top of when new forms are available than constantly checking the website. This community has been so much more helpful than trying to navigate the IRS website on my own!
Welcome to the community @KylieRose! I'm glad you found the advice helpful here. As someone who's also relatively new to filing these business forms, I've learned that this community is invaluable for getting real-world guidance that you just can't find on the IRS website. The e-News subscription tip is something I'm definitely going to set up too - beats the frustration of constantly refreshing web pages hoping new forms will magically appear! Good luck with your filing when the 2024 form comes out.
Not to go off-topic, but what tax software do people recommend for reporting gambling? I tried using TurboTax last year and it was terrible for handling my gambling - kept wanting me to enter every single session separately which would have been hundreds of entries.
I've had good luck with TaxAct Premium. It lets you enter a summary of your gambling by type (slots, table games, sports) rather than individual sessions. As long as you keep the detailed records separately in case of audit, this is perfectly acceptable.
Thanks, I'll check out TaxAct. I was going crazy trying to enter everything line by line in TurboTax!
I feel your frustration completely. I've been dealing with similar issues as a poker player who travels to tournaments. The current system is absolutely backwards - you can win $10,000 in January, lose $12,000 over the rest of the year, and still owe taxes on that $10,000 "income" even though you're net negative $2,000. What really gets me is that the IRS treats gambling differently from other activities. If you're a day trader and lose money, you can deduct those losses against other income (up to $3,000 per year). But gambling losses? Only deductible against gambling winnings, and only if you itemize. I've been following the legislative side of this issue, and unfortunately Omar is right - reform isn't happening anytime soon. The revenue loss estimates kill any momentum these bills might have. The gambling industry keeps pushing for change, but Congress sees those billions in tax revenue and won't budge. My advice? Keep those meticulous records you mentioned, consider whether you might qualify for trader/professional status if your volume is high enough, and maybe look into some of the tools others have mentioned here for better organization. The system sucks, but we're stuck with it for now.
This is exactly the kind of comprehensive breakdown I was hoping to see! As someone new to following this issue, I'm curious - when you mention "trader/professional status," are there specific thresholds or criteria that determine if someone might qualify? I've been wondering if the volume of my poker tournament play might put me in a different category than casual gambling, but I have no idea what the IRS looks for when making that distinction. Also, the comparison to day trading losses is really eye-opening. It does seem completely arbitrary that one type of speculative activity gets more favorable tax treatment than another, especially when both involve similar risks and skill elements.
Has anyone here used specialized tax software for musicians instead of the general ones like TurboTax? I'm in a similar situation (musician + day job) and tracking mileage is just one part of what I need to figure out. Also need to handle equipment depreciation, home studio space, etc.
I've used TaxSlayer which has a self-employed option that works well for musician income. Nothing fancy but it has all the Schedule C stuff you need without being too expensive. The key is categorizing everything correctly yourself beforehand - no tax software will know which of your trips were business vs personal. For your home studio, be really careful - you need to measure the exact square footage used EXCLUSIVELY for business purposes. If you ever use that space for anything personal, it doesn't qualify. This is where most musicians mess up on home office deductions.
The advice here about Schedule C is spot-on. I've been filing as a self-employed musician for 3 years now after initially trying to figure out the QPA rules (which are basically obsolete for anyone with a day job). One thing I'd add about mileage tracking - consider using a smartphone app like MileIQ or Everlance to automatically track your drives. You can then categorize each trip as business or personal afterwards. This creates the contemporaneous log the IRS wants without having to remember to write everything down manually. Also, don't forget you can deduct other vehicle expenses beyond just mileage if you keep detailed records - things like parking fees at venues, tolls for gigs out of town, etc. Just make sure they're directly related to your music business activities. Your 8,500 miles at 58.5 cents per mile would be nearly $5,000 in deductions, so it's definitely worth getting this right. The key is showing you're operating as a business, not just a hobbyist who occasionally gets paid.
I work in tax prep and see this all the time. Code 152 is just a processing status code - nothing to worry about. However, if you want to know EXACTLY whats happening with your refund and when youll get it, use taxr.ai. Its this new AI tool that analyzes your transcript and gives you specific dates and explanations. Way more accurate than WMR or trying to decode everything yourself. Saves tons of time and stress. Only costs a buck too.
Code 152 just means they're still processing - totally normal! I had the same thing happen last year and it took about 26 days total. The bars disappearing is also super common, doesn't mean anything bad. Just means they moved your return to the next stage. As long as you haven't gotten any CP notices in the mail, you're good to go! Hang tight, refund should come soon š¤
Ava Kim
Don't forget to separate the land value when calculating depreciation! This is a common mistake. Land isn't depreciable, so you need to determine what portion of your property value is for the building only. Your county property tax assessment often breaks this down, or you can use a reasonable method to determine the split (like 80% building/20% land in many residential areas). Also, remember that anything with a useful life of less than 27.5 years (appliances, carpeting, etc.) can be depreciated on a faster schedule than the building itself. This is called component depreciation and can give you bigger deductions sooner.
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Andre Laurent
ā¢How do you handle component depreciation on a tax return? Is that something that goes on a separate form? My refrigerator in the rental unit is only about 3 years old.
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Ava Kim
ā¢For component depreciation, you'd list each item separately on Form 4562. For example, a refrigerator would typically be 5-year property under GDS. You'd list its basis separate from the building. This can be advantageous because instead of getting a small piece of the deduction over 27.5 years, you get to recover the cost of appliances and fixtures much faster. For a refrigerator, you'd recover the entire cost within just 6 tax years (5-year property takes 6 calendar years because of the half-year convention). Just make sure you have documentation of the value of these components when you placed them in service.
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Ethan Anderson
I find that TurboTax actually does a decent job with rental property depreciation. It asks you questions about when you placed the property in service, the value, percentage used for rental, etc., and then automatically calculates everything, including filling out Form 4562 when needed. If you do use tax software, just make sure you have all your info ready: purchase price of the property, fair market value when converted to rental, percentage used for rental, and an estimate of land value (which isn't depreciable).
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Layla Mendes
ā¢Does TurboTax handle the Section 179 stuff automatically? Or tell you when it doesn't apply? That's the part where I get confused.
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Dmitry Popov
ā¢Yes, TurboTax handles Section 179 automatically and will tell you when it doesn't apply. For residential rental property like what Andre is dealing with, Section 179 doesn't apply at all - it's only for business equipment and certain business property. TurboTax recognizes this and won't even present Section 179 as an option for residential rentals. The software is pretty good at walking you through the depreciation process step by step. It will ask about the property type, when it was placed in service, and automatically apply the correct depreciation method (27.5 years for residential rental property using the mid-month convention). Just make sure you answer the questions accurately about the rental percentage and conversion date.
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