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Does anyone know if taking classes online during covid from my home country affects my exempt period? I was physically outside the US for about 18 months during 2020-2021 even though I maintained my F1 status by taking online classes. Do those periods still count toward my 5 exempt years?
This is a great question. The exempt period for F1 students is based on your immigration status, not your physical presence. So yes, those 18 months when you were outside the US but maintaining F1 status through online classes still count toward your 5-year exempt period. However, when calculating the substantial presence test after your exempt period ends, only days you were physically present in the US count. So those 18 months wouldn't count toward the substantial presence test day count, even though they count toward using up your exempt period.
This is such a common source of confusion for F1 students! I went through the exact same situation a few years ago. Here's what I learned that might help: Since you've been here for 6 years on F1 status (starting 2019), you're definitely past the 5-year exempt period. This means for 2024 and going forward, all your days of physical presence in the US count toward the substantial presence test. One thing to keep in mind - even though you're now counting days normally, make sure you're calculating the substantial presence test correctly. It's not just adding up all your days - it's: (all days in current year) + (1/3 of days in prior year) + (1/6 of days in year before that) = must be 183 or more. Also, since this sounds like it might be your first year transitioning from exempt to non-exempt status, you'll likely need to file as a "dual-status alien" - meaning nonresident for part of the year and resident for part of the year. This requires some special forms and calculations. Don't stress too much about "getting in trouble" - the IRS understands these situations are complex for international students. The key is filing correctly based on your actual status, and if you're unsure, it's always worth consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international student taxes or getting clarification directly from the IRS.
This is really helpful, especially the clarification about dual-status filing! I hadn't thought about that part. Quick question though - when you mention consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international student taxes, do you have any recommendations for finding someone like that? I've contacted a few regular CPAs but they seem unfamiliar with F1 visa tax rules and the substantial presence test exemptions. It's been frustrating trying to find someone who actually understands these specific rules rather than just general tax preparation.
This is a great learning thread! I'm facing a similar situation soon - considering selling some of my business equipment but haven't pulled the trigger yet. Reading through everyone's experiences here is really helpful. One thing I'm curious about - for those who've gone through this, how did you handle the timing? Emma mentioned the money hit her account last month, but I'm wondering if there are strategic timing considerations for when to actually complete the sale. Like, would it make sense to wait until early in a tax year vs late in the year to have more time to plan offsetting strategies? Also, has anyone here worked with a tax professional specifically for equipment sales like this? I'm wondering if the complexity justifies hiring someone beyond just using software or online services.
Great question about timing! From what I've learned lurking here, the timing can definitely matter for tax planning. If you complete the sale early in the tax year, you have more time to implement offsetting strategies like maximizing retirement contributions, harvesting investment losses, or making charitable donations before December 31st. However, you also want to consider your overall income for the year. If you're having a particularly high-income year already, it might make sense to push the sale to the following year if possible. As for tax professionals, given the complexity of depreciation recapture and the significant dollar amounts involved, I'd definitely recommend getting professional help. The cost of a good tax advisor will likely be a tiny fraction of what you could save (or lose) by getting the calculations wrong. Equipment sales involve some really specific rules that general tax software might not handle perfectly.
I'm dealing with something very similar right now - just sold my welding and fabrication equipment for $180k after running my business for 6 years. Like you, I didn't really think through the tax implications until after the fact. One thing I learned from my CPA is that you might want to consider making quarterly estimated tax payments for this year if you haven't already. Since this is such a large one-time gain, you could face underpayment penalties if you wait until next April to pay everything. Also, double-check your depreciation records carefully. I found some equipment that I had been depreciating on the wrong schedule, which affected my recapture calculations. The difference between 5-year and 7-year property depreciation schedules can be significant when you're calculating what gets recaptured. Are you planning to continue any business operations, or was this a complete exit? If you're staying in business, you might have opportunities to purchase new equipment before year-end that could help offset some of the tax impact through Section 179 deductions or bonus depreciation.
8 Has anyone else noticed that Square's transaction counting seems really inconsistent? I'm also under the 200 transaction threshold according to them, but I definitely had more individual customers than that. I'm wondering if they're counting batched payments differently.
10 Yeah, it's weird. I called Square support about this and they explained that if you use certain Square features like "Close Drawer" or if you process multiple payments at once through their system, it might count as fewer transactions. Also, their count is based on payment transactions, not individual customers or services provided. If you process a day's worth of cuts as a single batch, that's just one transaction in their system.
23 Just to clarify for everyone - the 1099-K threshold was actually supposed to change to $600 with NO minimum transaction count for 2022, but the IRS delayed implementing that change. They're sticking with the $20k AND 200 transactions rule for now, but be aware this will likely change in the future. When it does change, most of us with payment apps will get 1099-Ks even for much smaller amounts. So keep good records now and get in the habit of properly categorizing all your income. The IRS is getting more serious about payment app reporting.
17 Do you know if they've announced when that $600 threshold will actually take effect? I keep hearing different things. Is it for 2023 tax year (filing in 2024) or pushed back again?
The IRS has been pretty vague about the timeline, but last I heard they pushed it back again for 2023. They keep citing "implementation challenges" and wanting to avoid confusion. My accountant thinks it might not actually happen until 2024 tax year at the earliest, but honestly who knows at this point. The IRS seems to change their mind every few months on this. I'd just plan for it to happen eventually and keep detailed records regardless of what threshold is in place.
I can definitely relate to your anxiety about this! I was in almost the exact same situation two years ago - owed about $3,800 through TurboTax and was constantly checking my bank account waiting for the withdrawal. The anticipation is honestly the worst part when you're not used to owing taxes. Based on my experience and what I've learned since then, TurboTax automatic payments typically take 3-5 business days from your scheduled date to actually process. Since you scheduled for April 10th, you should see the withdrawal sometime between now and early next week. The most important thing to remember is that the IRS considers your payment made on April 10th (when you scheduled it), not when the money actually leaves your account, so you're completely protected from any late penalties. A few things that helped me get through the waiting period: - Keep a buffer in your account until you see the withdrawal (don't move money around yet) - Save screenshots of your TurboTax payment confirmation for your records - Try to check your account only once a day instead of multiple times (I know it's hard!) - Remember that TurboTax batches payments which adds 1-2 extra days compared to paying directly through IRS.gov You did everything correctly by scheduling before the deadline, so try not to stress too much. The IRS processing system is just naturally slow, especially during peak tax season. You're going to be fine!
This is such a helpful and thorough response! I'm actually going through this exact situation right now - filed through TurboTax and owe about $2,900, scheduled my payment for April 12th. It's now been 2 days and I'm definitely falling into that obsessive account-checking pattern you mentioned. Your point about TurboTax batching payments adding extra time compared to paying directly through IRS.gov is really good to know. I had no idea that could add 1-2 extra days to the processing time. That explains why some people seem to get their payments processed faster when they pay directly through the IRS website. I'm definitely going to follow your advice about limiting myself to checking once a day instead of every few hours. The anxiety is real when you're not used to owing money! Thanks for sharing your experience and all the practical tips - it's really reassuring to know that so many people have been through this same situation and everything worked out fine.
I totally understand your anxiety! I went through something very similar last year when I owed about $2,650 through TurboTax - also my first time owing instead of getting a refund. The constant bank account checking is so real! From my experience, TurboTax automatic payments typically take 3-5 business days from your scheduled date. Since you scheduled for April 10th, you should see the withdrawal by early next week at the latest. The key thing that gave me peace of mind was understanding that the IRS considers your payment made on April 10th (when you scheduled it), not when the money actually comes out of your account. A few tips that helped me through the waiting: - Keep plenty of buffer money in your account until you see the withdrawal - Save screenshots of your TurboTax payment confirmation - Try to limit checking your account to once per day (I was checking like 20 times a day and driving myself crazy!) - Remember that TurboTax batches payments which can add an extra day or two compared to paying directly through IRS.gov You did everything right by scheduling before the deadline, so try not to stress too much. The waiting is definitely the hardest part, but you're covered! The IRS processing system is just slow, especially during tax season.
This is so helpful to read! I'm literally in the exact same boat - first time owing taxes and I filed through TurboTax owing about $3,200. I scheduled my payment for April 11th and have been checking my bank account obsessively ever since. It's such a relief to know that this anxiety is totally normal and that 3-5 business days is the standard timeframe. Your tip about limiting account checking to once a day is something I really need to follow - I think I've checked mine at least 15 times today alone! It's definitely making the anxiety worse. I had no idea that TurboTax batches payments which explains why it takes longer than paying directly through the IRS website. I'm going to take your advice and save screenshots of my confirmation page right now, and try to be more patient about the timing. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's so reassuring to know that other first-time tax-owers went through this exact same stress and everything worked out fine!
Javier Garcia
My CPA explained that the "reporting gap" is actually by design in our tax system. Congress has repeatedly cut IRS enforcement funding over decades, especially for high-income taxpayers. It's not an accident. Here's the wildest part: the Congressional Budget Office estimates that every additional $1 spent on IRS enforcement yields $5-$9 in recovered revenue. What other government program has that kind of ROI? Yet we keep cutting their budget.
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Emma Taylor
ā¢Those ROI numbers seem inflated. If that were true, wouldn't the government be pouring money into the IRS to fix the deficit? There must be more to the story.
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Julia Hall
ā¢The ROI numbers are actually well-documented by the Treasury Inspector General and academic studies. The reason Congress doesn't just throw money at the IRS is political - nobody wants to be the politician who voted to "unleash the tax collectors" on constituents, even if it would reduce the deficit. There's also lobbying pressure from wealthy individuals and corporations who benefit from underenforcement. The recent IRS funding increases in the Inflation Calls Reduction Act faced massive political opposition despite the clear financial benefits to taxpayers who play by the rules.
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Jackson Carter
This is a really eye-opening discussion. As someone who's always filed straightforward W-2 returns, I had no idea the compliance gap was so massive - $600 billion is staggering! What strikes me most is how this creates an unfair system where honest wage earners essentially subsidize those who can afford to game the system. My taxes are automatically withheld and reported, so I have zero wiggle room, while business owners with good accountants can apparently play audit roulette. The political angle mentioned about IRS funding is particularly frustrating. It seems like we're essentially choosing to let tax cheats off the hook because nobody wants to be seen as "pro-IRS." Meanwhile, those of us following the rules end up paying higher rates to make up for the lost revenue. Has anyone here actually been through an IRS audit? I'm curious what that process looks like in practice, especially for someone who's been legitimately following all the rules.
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