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Mia Rodriguez

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now - 2 years behind on both personal and business filings. One thing I learned from my research is that the IRS actually has a Voluntary Disclosure Practice that can help reduce penalties if you come forward before they contact you. The key is getting those returns filed ASAP. I've been gathering all my bank statements and receipts, and honestly it's not as overwhelming as I thought it would be once I started organizing everything by year. For what it's worth, I called a few local CPAs and got quotes ranging from $800-1500 per year for business returns, which is way less than those TV companies were quoting me. Most said if my records are reasonably organized, they could have everything filed within 2-3 weeks. The penalty structure someone mentioned earlier is accurate - it's based on what you actually owe, not what you think you might owe. So if you end up with refunds or small balances, the penalties aren't nearly as scary as they sound.

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Camila Jordan

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That's really helpful info about the Voluntary Disclosure Practice - I had no idea that was even a thing! I'm in a similar boat with 3 years of unfiled returns for my freelance work. The penalty structure based on what you actually owe versus what you fear you owe is such a relief to hear. Quick question - when you got those CPA quotes, did they include helping with any penalty abatement requests? I keep hearing that's something you can request but I'm not sure if that's extra or part of the filing service. Also, did any of them mention anything about the Fresh Start program that @Hannah White referenced earlier? I m'leaning toward going the local CPA route after reading everyone s'experiences here rather than those TV commercial companies.

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I went through something very similar about 18 months ago - 3 years of unfiled personal and LLC returns. Those Safeway tax commercials were everywhere and honestly made me consider it out of desperation, but I'm so glad I didn't go that route. What really helped me was breaking it down year by year instead of trying to tackle everything at once. I started with the oldest year first since that's where the penalties were adding up fastest. For my LLC, I was able to reconstruct most of my business expenses just from bank statements and credit card records - it wasn't as impossible as I thought. I ended up working with a local EA (Enrolled Agent) who charged me $400 per personal return and $600 per business return. Total cost was about $3,000 to get completely caught up, versus the $8,500 quote I got from one of those relief companies. The biggest surprise was that I actually got refunds for two of the three years once everything was properly filed with all my deductions. The IRS was also much more reasonable about payment plans than I expected - they let me spread the remaining balance over 36 months with pretty low interest. My advice: skip the TV companies, find a local tax professional, and just get started. It's never as bad as your worst-case scenario brain makes it out to be.

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been paralyzed by the fear that my situation was somehow uniquely terrible, but it sounds like a lot of people have successfully navigated this. The year-by-year approach makes so much sense - I was overwhelming myself trying to think about all three years at once. Can I ask how long the whole process took from when you started gathering records to having everything filed? I'm trying to set realistic expectations for myself. Also, did your EA help you with any penalty abatement requests, or was that something you had to handle separately? The fact that you got refunds for two years is honestly shocking to me - I've been assuming I owe thousands and thousands. Maybe I should stop catastrophizing and just start pulling together my bank statements.

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Ava Rodriguez

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Don't forget about quarterly estimated tax payments! Since you don't have taxes withheld as a self-employed person (whatever they call you), you likely need to make quarterly payments to avoid penalties. The safe harbor is generally paying either 90% of this year's tax or 100% of last year's tax (110% if your AGI was over $150k). Missing these payments can result in penalties even if you pay everything you owe by April 15.

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Miguel Diaz

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How do you calculate what to pay each quarter if your income is irregular? I have some months where I make a lot and others where it's nearly nothing.

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Grace Thomas

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For irregular income, you have a few options. The easiest is to use the "safe harbor" rule - pay 100% of last year's total tax liability divided by 4 quarters (110% if your AGI was over $150k). This protects you from penalties even if you end up owing more at year-end. If you want to be more precise, you can use Form 2210 Schedule AI to calculate based on actual income each quarter. This means paying higher amounts in good months and lower (or zero) in slow months. Just make sure you keep detailed records of when you received payments. Another approach is to set aside a percentage of each payment as it comes in (typically 25-30% for self-employment) in a separate tax savings account. Then when quarterly deadlines hit, you'll have funds available regardless of that quarter's specific income timing.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation where one client calls me a "vendor" and another calls me a "contractor," but it sounds like the tax treatment is the same regardless of their internal terminology. One thing I'd add - if you're worried about documentation, I've found it helpful to keep copies of all invoices I send to clients, along with their payment confirmations and any email correspondence about the work relationship. Even if they don't send 1099s, having a clear paper trail of the business relationship can be valuable. Also, don't forget to look into business insurance if you haven't already. As a self-employed person, you might want professional liability or general liability coverage depending on your field. Some clients even require it before they'll work with you. The quarterly estimated tax payments mentioned above are crucial - I learned this the hard way my first year and got hit with penalties. Setting aside money from each payment as it comes in is definitely the way to go!

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Freya Larsen

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Great advice about keeping detailed records! I'm new to self-employment and this whole thread has been incredibly helpful. One question - when you mention business insurance, how do you even figure out what type you need? I'm doing marketing consulting work and have no idea where to start with insurance requirements. Also, do most clients actually ask to see proof of insurance before working with you, or is that more industry-specific?

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Another option nobody mentioned is setting up EFTPS (Electronic Federal Tax Payment System). It's clunky and takes like 2 weeks to get set up bc they mail you a PIN, but once it's active you can schedule all your quarterly payments in advance. The verification for that was easier for me as a first-timer than the regular IRS payment site.

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Sasha Ivanov

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EFTPS is definitely the way to go for long-term, but doesn't the initial registration also require verification with previous tax info? I tried this route first but got stuck at the same verification step.

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Tasia Synder

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I went through this exact same frustration when I started my consulting business! The verification loop is so annoying when you're trying to be responsible about quarterly payments. What worked for me was using my AGI and filing status from my most recent W-2 return (2023) for the verification step. The system doesn't actually care that it wasn't self-employment income - it just needs to verify you're really you using ANY previous tax filing. If you're still stuck, try the EFTPS system that Miguel mentioned. The verification process there was slightly different and I found it easier to navigate as a first-timer. Yes, you have to wait for the PIN in the mail which is annoying, but once it's set up you can schedule all your quarterly payments for the year in one sitting. Don't let this discourage you from staying on top of your quarterlies - you're already ahead of so many freelancers by thinking about this early!

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation as a new freelance writer and was getting so frustrated with the verification process. Quick question - when you used your W-2 info for verification, did you need the exact refund amount or just the AGI? I'm worried about entering the wrong information and getting locked out of the system completely.

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Ahooker-Equator

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Speaking from experience, what wealthy business owners actually do is WAY different than just swapping loans for profits. They: 1) Time their income recognition strategically 2) Maximize legitimate business deductions 3) Use entity structures to their advantage 4) Invest in assets that appreciate without creating taxable income 5) Use retirement accounts to defer taxes 6) Harvest tax losses to offset gains The loan strategy you described would be immediately problematic in an audit. Focus on legitimate tax planning instead!

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This is super helpful! Do you have any suggestions for where someone with a small LLC could learn more about these strategies? Especially the entity structures and timing income recognition?

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Zoe Dimitriou

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I'm a tax preparer and see clients try variations of this strategy every year. The fundamental issue is that you're conflating cash flow with taxable income. Your business profit of $65,000 is taxable income that was already earned - taking out a loan doesn't change that fact. Here's what actually happens: You earn $65K profit (taxable), take a $65K loan (not taxable income, but creates a liability), then use the profit to pay the loan (not a deductible expense). You end up with the same $65K tax liability but now you've also paid loan interest for no benefit. The IRS has anti-abuse rules specifically targeting transactions that lack economic substance. What you're describing would likely be challenged as a sham transaction designed solely to avoid taxes. Instead, focus on legitimate strategies: maximize business deductions, consider retirement plan contributions, time equipment purchases strategically, or explore if your business structure is optimal for tax purposes. These approaches actually work and won't trigger audit red flags.

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This is exactly the kind of professional insight I was hoping to see! As someone new to business ownership, it's really helpful to understand why this seemed too simple to work. The point about anti-abuse rules and sham transactions is particularly important - I definitely don't want to trigger an audit. Could you elaborate on what you mean by "consider if your business structure is optimal for tax purposes"? I have a single-member LLC right now, but I keep hearing about S-Corp elections and other structures. Is there a threshold where it makes sense to explore other options?

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Freya Nielsen

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Does anyone use specific tax software that handles AMT calculations well? I tried using TurboTax last year and it seemed to miss some of my mortgage interest deductions against AMT.

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Omar Mahmoud

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I've had good results with H&R Block Premium. It has a specific section for ISO exercises and AMT that walks you through all the calculations, including which deductions apply to AMT vs regular tax. It also gives you a side-by-side comparison so you can see exactly why you're paying AMT.

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Steven Adams

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One thing that helped me understand this better was creating a spreadsheet to track all my deductions under both regular tax and AMT calculations. For mortgage interest, as others mentioned, it's generally deductible under both systems if you itemize - but make sure you distinguish between acquisition debt (buying/building your home) versus home equity debt, as the rules can differ. The property tax hit under AMT is real and painful. I ended up owing about $3,000 more in AMT partly because I lost my $8,500 property tax deduction. What really caught me off guard was that miscellaneous itemized deductions (like tax prep fees, unreimbursed employee expenses) are also completely eliminated under AMT. One strategy that might help: if you have control over the timing of when you exercise your remaining ISOs, consider spreading them across multiple years to potentially stay below the AMT exemption thresholds. The AMT exemption starts phasing out at higher income levels, so managing your ISO exercises strategically could save you significant money.

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This is incredibly helpful! I never thought about creating a spreadsheet to track both calculations side by side. The point about miscellaneous itemized deductions being eliminated under AMT is something I completely missed - I was planning to deduct some tax prep fees but sounds like those won't help me at all under AMT. Your strategy about spreading ISO exercises across multiple years makes a lot of sense. I still have about 60% of my options unvested, so I could potentially time future exercises when the stock price is lower or spread them out to manage the AMT impact. Do you happen to remember what the AMT exemption phase-out thresholds are for this tax year? I want to make sure I understand where those kick in so I can plan accordingly.

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