Can I borrow $50K to offset $50K business profit to avoid being taxed on "income"?
I'm trying to understand how business loans interact with income tax. Here's my situation: My single-member LLC is projecting about $65,000 in NET profit this year after all expenses. As the business owner, that's basically my profit that'll be subject to federal and state income taxes. I've been wondering - what if I approach my bank and take out a $65,000 loan? They deposit the loan into my business account. Then I use my $65,000 in business profits to pay back the loan. In theory, would this mean my actual business profit is now $0 (since I used it all to repay the loan), but I still have that $65,000 loan amount to use? Would this keep my tax bill low? I keep hearing stories about wealthy business owners using debt to acquire assets while minimizing taxes. Is this actually a legitimate strategy? Seems too simple to work, but I'm curious if there's something to this approach. Would love to hear from anyone who really understands business taxation and loan interactions!
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McKenzie Shade
This is a common misconception about how business loans and income work. Taking out a loan doesn't reduce your business profit - they're completely separate transactions. When your business earns $65,000 in profit, that's taxable income regardless of what you do with it afterward. Using that profit to pay back a loan doesn't make the profit disappear for tax purposes. The profit was already earned and is subject to tax. Think of it this way: The loan is not income (which is correct), but using business profits to repay a loan doesn't convert those profits into non-taxable funds. The profits were already earned and taxable before you decided what to do with them. What wealthy business owners actually do is use legitimate business deductions to reduce taxable income, invest in assets that appreciate but don't generate immediate taxable income, and utilize timing strategies with their investments. Simply swapping loans for profits isn't a tax strategy.
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Harmony Love
•But what if I take the loan at the end of the year, then use it to buy something that would qualify as a business expense? Would that reduce my taxable income since I'm increasing my expenses? Or does the timing matter here?
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McKenzie Shade
•Timing absolutely matters. Business expenses have to be incurred within the tax year to be deductible for that year. If you purchase legitimate business assets or supplies in December, those would count as expenses for the current tax year and reduce your taxable income. The source of funds (whether from a loan or revenue) doesn't matter for the deduction. What matters is that you're making legitimate business purchases that qualify as deductible expenses. Just be aware that larger asset purchases may need to be depreciated over time rather than expensed all at once, depending on the asset and current tax rules.
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Rudy Cenizo
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Natalie Khan
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Kirsuktow DarkBlade
•Wait, does this actually work? I've been trying to reach the IRS about a business tax question for ages. How long did it take before you got connected to someone?
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Daryl Bright
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Abigail bergen
What you're describing sounds like a circular transaction that the IRS would likely flag. When audited, they look at the substance of transactions, not just their form. Think about it logically - if this worked, everyone would do it! You'd essentially never pay taxes by continuously cycling loans and profits. The IRS has specific rules about transactions that lack economic substance. Also, consider the logistics: you'd pay interest on that loan, so you're actually losing money compared to just paying the taxes. And you'd need to justify to the bank why you need the loan in the first place.
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Caden Turner
•The interest point really hits home. I never considered that I'd be paying interest on the loan just to avoid taxes, which might actually cost more than the taxes themselves. Do banks even approve loans when they see you're just planning to sit on the money? Seems like they'd want to see an actual business purpose.
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Abigail bergen
•Banks typically want to see a legitimate business purpose for loans, not just "I want to hold cash." They evaluate loan applications based on how the funds will generate returns to ensure repayment. Simply wanting to defer taxes isn't usually sufficient. You're right about the interest vs. tax calculation. Let's say you're in the 24% tax bracket - you'd pay $15,600 in taxes on $65,000 of profit. But a $65,000 business loan at 7% would cost you $4,550 in interest annually. You're still paying, just to the bank instead of the IRS, and you haven't actually solved the tax issue for the long term.
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Ahooker-Equator
Speaking from experience, what wealthy business owners actually do is WAY different than just swapping loans for profits. They: 1) Time their income recognition strategically 2) Maximize legitimate business deductions 3) Use entity structures to their advantage 4) Invest in assets that appreciate without creating taxable income 5) Use retirement accounts to defer taxes 6) Harvest tax losses to offset gains The loan strategy you described would be immediately problematic in an audit. Focus on legitimate tax planning instead!
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Anderson Prospero
•This is super helpful! Do you have any suggestions for where someone with a small LLC could learn more about these strategies? Especially the entity structures and timing income recognition?
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Zoe Dimitriou
I'm a tax preparer and see clients try variations of this strategy every year. The fundamental issue is that you're conflating cash flow with taxable income. Your business profit of $65,000 is taxable income that was already earned - taking out a loan doesn't change that fact. Here's what actually happens: You earn $65K profit (taxable), take a $65K loan (not taxable income, but creates a liability), then use the profit to pay the loan (not a deductible expense). You end up with the same $65K tax liability but now you've also paid loan interest for no benefit. The IRS has anti-abuse rules specifically targeting transactions that lack economic substance. What you're describing would likely be challenged as a sham transaction designed solely to avoid taxes. Instead, focus on legitimate strategies: maximize business deductions, consider retirement plan contributions, time equipment purchases strategically, or explore if your business structure is optimal for tax purposes. These approaches actually work and won't trigger audit red flags.
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