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Another important thing about lottery timing - if you take the annuity option (payments over 30 years), you'll pay taxes on each payment as you receive it. This can sometimes be better than taking the lump sum because: 1) You might stay in lower tax brackets across multiple years 2) You protect yourself from spending it all at once 3) The total payout is actually significantly higher
Great question! I've been wondering about this too. One thing I'd add is that you should definitely consider making quarterly estimated tax payments once you claim, especially for large winnings. The IRS expects payment throughout the year, not just at filing time. If you win big and don't make estimated payments, you could face underpayment penalties even if you pay the full amount when you file your return. The standard withholding might not be enough to cover your actual tax liability, especially if the winnings push you into higher brackets. Also, don't forget about the "kiddie tax" if you're planning to gift any winnings to children - there are special rules that might apply. Definitely worth consulting a tax professional for the big wins!
This is really helpful advice about quarterly payments! I had no idea about the underpayment penalties - that could be a nasty surprise. Quick question: how do you even calculate what your quarterly payments should be when you don't know your exact tax liability yet? Is there a safe harbor rule or percentage you can use to avoid penalties while you're figuring out the final numbers?
Has anyone successfully received a refund using Form 843 for a penalty? I submitted mine about 6 weeks ago (with my SSN, not my employer's EIN lol) and haven't heard anything. Is there a way to check the status online or do I have to call?
I got a refund last year for a failure-to-file penalty. It took almost 12 weeks to process, and there's no way to check status online that I could find. I ended up having to call. The "Where's My Refund" tool doesn't work for Form 843 requests since they're processed differently than regular tax refunds.
I went through this exact same confusion last year! You definitely should NOT use your employer's EIN on Form 843 - that field is for YOUR identification number. Since you're filing as an individual, you need to use your Social Security Number (SSN). I made the same mistake initially and had to resubmit the form, which delayed my refund by about 2 months. The IRS sent me a letter asking for clarification, but it would have been much faster to just get it right the first time. For the explanation section, be as detailed as possible. Include specific dates, reference any IRS publications or regulations that support your case, and clearly explain why you believe the fee was charged in error. Attach copies of all supporting documentation - bank statements, correspondence, whatever proves your point. The more evidence you provide upfront, the less likely they'll need to request additional information later. Good luck with your refund request! The process can be slow but if you have a valid case and complete documentation, you should get your money back.
This is really helpful! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation right now. Quick question - when you had to resubmit your form, did you need to send a completely new Form 843 or could you just send a corrected version with a cover letter explaining the change? I'm worried about creating confusion if I submit what looks like a duplicate request. Also, you mentioned getting a letter from the IRS asking for clarification - how long did that take to arrive? I want to know what timeline to expect in case I need to make corrections to mine.
When I had to resubmit, I sent a completely new Form 843 with a cover letter explaining that this was a corrected version of my previous submission. I included the date of my original submission and clearly stated that the correction was to use my SSN instead of an incorrect EIN. This helped avoid confusion about having duplicate requests in the system. The IRS letter asking for clarification took about 8 weeks to arrive after my original (incorrect) submission. It was a pretty standard form letter asking me to clarify my identification number and provide additional documentation. If you catch the error early and resubmit correctly, you can probably avoid that whole back-and-forth process. I'd recommend including a brief cover letter with your corrected form that says something like "This is a corrected resubmission of Form 843 originally submitted on [date]. The correction is to provide my SSN instead of an incorrect EIN in the identification field." Keep it simple and clear!
The confusion makes total sense! Here's what's happening: Box 1 ($6,725) shows what your school received for tuition, and Box 5 ($3,748) shows scholarships/grants they processed. The $2,977 difference likely represents other financial aid (like loans) that covered the rest. Even though you paid $0 out of pocket, you still need to report this because the IRS uses it to determine if you qualify for education credits and whether any scholarship money is taxable. The good news is since your scholarships ($3,748) are less than your qualified expenses ($6,725), you probably won't owe taxes on the scholarship money. Just enter the numbers as they appear on your 1098-T and let the tax software do the calculations!
This is super helpful! I was getting so stressed about the mismatch between the numbers. So just to confirm - I enter the $6,725 and $3,748 exactly as shown on the form, and the software will figure out if I owe anything or qualify for credits? And the $2,977 difference is probably just other aid like loans that aren't considered taxable income?
The 1098-T can definitely be confusing! You absolutely need to report it even though you didn't pay out of pocket. The form is required because it shows the IRS your educational expenses and aid received, which affects potential education credits and determines if any scholarship money is taxable income. In your case, since your scholarships ($3,748) are less than your qualified expenses ($6,725), the scholarship portion likely won't be taxable. The difference could be from loans or other non-grant aid. Just enter the numbers exactly as shown on your 1098-T - Box 1: $6,725, Box 5: $3,748 - and let your tax software calculate everything correctly. You might even qualify for education credits!
This explanation is really clear, thank you! I've been sitting here for almost 2 hours trying to figure this out and was getting so frustrated. So basically the IRS just wants to see all the education-related money flowing around, even if I never actually touched any of it myself? That makes more sense now. I'll go ahead and enter those exact numbers and see what the software says about credits. Really appreciate everyone's help! š
Emma, I'm really sorry you're going through this - job loss is stressful enough without having to figure out retirement withdrawal complexities on top of everything else. Since you only worked 4 months this year, your situation is actually quite different from someone withdrawing at full annual income. Your total 2023 taxable income will likely be much lower than normal, which could work in your favor for tax planning. Here's what I'd suggest: First, calculate your total expected 2023 income including your partial work salary, any unemployment benefits you're receiving, and the amount you plan to withdraw. This will help you estimate which tax bracket you'll fall into. Given your reduced annual income, you probably don't need the default 20% federal withholding. I'd recommend starting with around 12-15% on your W-4R form. This should cover your federal tax obligations without over-withholding cash you need for immediate expenses. A few important reminders: - The 10% early withdrawal penalty isn't automatically withheld - you'll owe it when filing your 2023 tax return - If you're using any of the withdrawal for health insurance premiums while unemployed (like COBRA), keep detailed records as this portion may qualify for an exception to the penalty - Don't forget to factor in state taxes separately since the W-4R only handles federal withholding You can always submit an updated W-4R later if your situation changes. Take care of yourself during this tough time - you've got this!
Zoe's advice is really solid and echoes what several others have mentioned about the 12-15% withholding range being appropriate for your situation. As someone new to this community, I'm impressed by how supportive and knowledgeable everyone has been with your question, Emma. One thing I'd add that I haven't seen mentioned yet - since you're in tech and this is likely your first time dealing with early retirement withdrawals, consider keeping a simple record of all the advice and calculations you're doing now. If you end up needing to make additional withdrawals later while job hunting, you'll have a clear reference for what worked and what didn't. Also, given the current tech job market volatility, you might want to be slightly more conservative and lean toward the 15% withholding rather than 12% just in case your job search takes longer than expected and you don't have other income coming in to help balance things out at tax time. The healthcare premium exception that several people mentioned is definitely worth pursuing if you're paying for COBRA - every bit of tax savings helps when you're already in a tight financial situation. Hang in there, and I hope your job search goes well!
Emma, I'm really sorry you're dealing with this situation - losing your job is incredibly stressful, especially when you're forced to tap into retirement savings earlier than planned. Given your unique circumstances of only working 4 months this year, you actually have some advantages for tax planning. Your total 2023 income will be significantly lower than normal, which means you'll likely fall into a lower tax bracket. Here's my recommendation: Calculate your total expected 2023 income by adding your partial work salary, unemployment benefits, and the planned 401k withdrawal amount. Since this total will be much lower than a typical year, you can probably get away with withholding less than the default 20%. I'd suggest starting with 15% federal withholding on your W-4R. This should adequately cover your tax obligations while preserving more cash for your immediate needs. You can always adjust later by submitting a new W-4R if your situation changes. Important things to keep in mind: - The 10% early withdrawal penalty isn't automatically withheld - you'll owe it when filing taxes - If you're using any funds for health insurance premiums while unemployed (like COBRA), keep detailed records as this may qualify for an exception to the 10% penalty - Remember to factor in state taxes separately since the W-4R only covers federal withholding You're being smart by asking these questions upfront. This is a temporary setback - you'll get through this tough time. Best of luck with both your withdrawal planning and job search!
Marcus Marsh
Just wanted to share another perspective on this - I've been using FreeTaxUSA for years and while the $7.99 Deluxe upgrade for amendments isn't ideal, it's still way cheaper than most alternatives. I compared it to H&R Block online last year and they wanted $50+ for amendment services. One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is that FreeTaxUSA's Deluxe also includes some other useful features like priority customer support and audit assistance, so you're not just paying for the amendment capability alone. If you're someone who files complex returns or might need help during tax season, the upgrade can actually provide good value beyond just the amendment feature. That said, definitely worth trying TaxAct's free option first if your situation is straightforward - just make sure to double-check everything before submitting since free services usually have less hand-holding through the process.
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Kelsey Chin
ā¢That's a really good point about the additional features in FreeTaxUSA's Deluxe package! I was so focused on just the amendment cost that I didn't think about the audit assistance and priority support being included too. For someone like me who gets anxious about tax stuff, having that extra support might actually be worth the $7.99 even beyond just needing the amendment feature. I'm still planning to try TaxAct first since it could save me money, but knowing that FreeTaxUSA's upgrade includes more than just amendments makes me feel better about potentially paying for it if needed. Thanks for pointing out that broader value proposition!
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Grant Vikers
I've been following this thread with interest since I'm in a similar boat! Just wanted to add that I called FreeTaxUSA customer service yesterday to confirm the amendment situation, and they were pretty upfront about it - yes, you absolutely need the Deluxe upgrade for federal amendments, no exceptions for their free tier. However, the rep did mention something useful that I haven't seen discussed here: if you're within 3 business days of filing your original return, they can sometimes help you file a "superseding return" instead of an amendment, which replaces your original return completely and doesn't require the Deluxe upgrade. Obviously this won't help most people since we usually discover mistakes weeks or months later, but might be worth knowing for anyone catching errors quickly. For those considering the TaxAct route mentioned above - definitely worth a shot! I'm planning to explore that option myself before committing to any paid upgrades. The worst that happens is I spend an hour checking it out and then fall back to paying the $7.99 FreeTaxUSA fee if needed.
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Joshua Wood
ā¢Wow, that's really useful information about the superseding return option! I had no idea that was even a possibility. Three business days is pretty tight, but good to know for anyone who catches mistakes right away. Your point about trying TaxAct first makes total sense too. I'm in the same situation and figure it's worth spending an hour to potentially save $7.99, especially since several people here have had success with their free amendment feature. Thanks for calling FreeTaxUSA to get the official word - that confirmation helps clarify things for everyone following this thread!
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