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Andre Laurent

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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading these responses. You guys realize the IRS is just fishing for information, right? These LTR 324C letters are often automated and sent out as part of their collection efforts. I got one for "filing status" but my CPA said unless they're specifying an actual problem, it could just be a fishing expedition.

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That's really bad advice. LTR 324C is a legitimate request for information and ignoring it can lead to adjustments to your return, additional taxes, penalties and interest. I work in tax preparation and these letters are specific requests, not "fishing expeditions." Respond with the requested documentation by the deadline.

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NeonNinja

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I dealt with a similar LTR 324C situation last year and wanted to share what worked for me. The key thing is to respond promptly and provide clear documentation that supports your filing status claim. Since you filed as Head of Household with your daughter, you'll want to gather documents that prove two things: 1) your daughter lived with you for more than half the year, and 2) you paid more than half the costs of maintaining your home. Good documents include: school enrollment records showing your address, medical records with your address, any childcare receipts, grocery receipts, utility bills in your name, rent/mortgage statements, and bank statements showing you paid household expenses. Also keep in mind that if your daughter's other parent claimed her as a dependent on their return, that could trigger this letter even if you're entitled to Head of Household status. The IRS computer systems flag these potential conflicts automatically. Don't stress too much - this really is just a verification process, not an accusation of wrongdoing. Just respond by their deadline with organized documentation and a brief cover letter explaining your situation.

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Amina Diallo

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This is super helpful! I'm new to dealing with IRS letters and this breakdown makes it way less scary. Quick question - when you say "brief cover letter explaining your situation," do you mean like a formal business letter or just a simple explanation? I'm worried about saying too much or too little and making things worse.

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Miguel Ramos

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This thread has been incredibly valuable for understanding the long-term implications of vehicle depreciation choices! I'm currently in year 2 of depreciating my business SUV and was starting to worry about what would happen after the 5-year period ends. Reading through everyone's real-world experiences - especially hearing that folks like @Fatima Al-Mansour, @Mateo Warren, and @Anna Stewart are still getting $3,800-$4,100+ in annual deductions well past depreciation - has been really reassuring for my long-term tax planning. What's struck me most is how many smaller deductions I'm probably missing even during these depreciation years. @Amina Bah's breakdown of commonly overlooked expenses (AAA membership portions, car washes, inspection fees, etc.) was eye-opening. I bet if I went back through my records, I'd find several hundred dollars in missed deductions. I'm definitely going to implement the detailed tracking system that several people have recommended. Taking photos of receipts immediately and maintaining a weekly spreadsheet seems like a manageable approach that would pay dividends throughout the vehicle's business life. For others in similar situations - this discussion has convinced me that choosing actual expenses initially was the right call, even if it means more administrative work. The ability to capture ALL business vehicle costs (not just a fixed per-mile rate) seems to provide better long-term value, especially for reliable vehicles that you plan to keep for many years. Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed, practical insights!

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Andre Moreau

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@Miguel Ramos I m'glad this discussion has been so helpful for your planning! As someone just joining this conversation, I ve'been amazed by how much practical wisdom everyone has shared here. What really stands out to me is how the actual expense method seems to provide value well beyond the depreciation period - hearing that people are still getting $3,800-$4,100+ annually in deductions years later really puts the long-term benefits into perspective. I m'particularly intrigued by all the smaller deductions that @Amina Bah mentioned AAA memberships, (car washes, inspection fees, etc. that many) people miss. It sounds like these minor expenses "can" add up to significant amounts over time if you re diligent'about tracking them. For someone new to business vehicle deductions, this thread has been incredibly educational. The consensus seems to be that while actual expenses require more detailed record-keeping, the ability to capture ALL legitimate business vehicle costs rather than (just a fixed per-mile rate provides better) long-term value - especially for reliable vehicles you plan to keep for many years. Thanks to everyone for sharing such real-world insights rather than just generic tax advice!

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As a small business owner who went through this exact same situation with my consulting firm's vehicle, I can share some real-world insights that might help with your decision-making process. I had a 2019 Toyota RAV4 that I used for client visits and business travel, and like you, I chose the actual expense method from day one including depreciation. When I reached year 6, I was initially concerned about losing that substantial depreciation deduction, but I've been pleasantly surprised by how well the actual expense method continues to work. Even without depreciation, I'm still deducting around $3,900 annually based on my 55% business usage. This includes all the obvious expenses like gas and insurance, but also those smaller items that really add up - monthly car washes (business portion), AAA membership (business portion), registration fees, inspection costs, and various maintenance items. One thing I learned is that Toyota vehicles, while reliable, still require regular maintenance that provides solid deduction opportunities. Last year I had brake service, tire replacement, and routine maintenance that contributed significantly to my deductions. Plus, as your vehicle approaches 10+ years, you'll likely see repair costs increase, which actually helps maintain your deduction levels. My recommendation: start tracking every single expense now while you still have depreciation. The discipline you build during these years will serve you well in the post-depreciation phase, and you might discover you're missing deductions even currently. Your Toyota will continue providing valuable tax benefits for many years to come!

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Mei Liu

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This is a really common issue that catches people off guard! I went through something similar when I had a big bonus year that pushed me over the limit. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - if you decide to do the recharacterization route, ask your brokerage about the exact process for reporting this on your tax return. You'll need to file Form 8606 if you recharacterize to a Traditional IRA, and the timing of when you make the recharacterization request can affect which tax year it applies to. Also, some brokerages are faster than others at processing these requests, so don't wait until the last minute if you're going that route. The backdoor Roth conversion is definitely worth understanding even if you don't use it this year - it's a valuable strategy for high earners going forward. Just make sure you understand the pro-rata rule implications if you have existing Traditional IRA balances from old 401k rollovers.

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Hassan Khoury

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to dealing with high-income tax situations and had no idea about Form 8606. Quick question - if I recharacterize my Roth contributions to Traditional IRA, do I need to file Form 8606 even if I don't do the backdoor Roth conversion this year? Or is that form only needed when you actually do the conversion step? Also, when you mention the timing affecting which tax year it applies to, does that mean if I recharacterize in early 2026 for my 2025 contributions, it could somehow count toward 2026 instead of fixing my 2025 problem?

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Carmen Reyes

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Great question! Yes, you'll need to file Form 8606 even if you just recharacterize to Traditional IRA without doing the conversion step. Form 8606 tracks non-deductible contributions to Traditional IRAs, and when you recharacterize from Roth to Traditional, those contributions are typically non-deductible (since you were over the income limit). This creates a basis in your Traditional IRA that needs to be tracked for future tax purposes. Regarding timing - no, you don't need to worry about it affecting the wrong tax year. As long as you complete the recharacterization before your tax filing deadline (including extensions), it will apply to the original contribution year (2025 in your case). So if you recharacterize in early 2026 for 2025 contributions, it still fixes your 2025 problem. The IRS treats it as if you originally contributed to the Traditional IRA in 2025. The key is just making sure you meet that deadline - April 15, 2026 (or October 15, 2026 if you file for an extension).

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who dealt with this exact situation last year. The capital gains surprise is so frustrating - I had no idea they counted toward the income limits either until my tax software flagged it. One thing I'd recommend is acting quickly once you decide on your approach. I initially thought I had plenty of time since the deadline seemed far away, but the recharacterization process with my brokerage took almost 3 weeks to complete. They had to calculate the earnings attribution, get supervisor approval, and then submit all the paperwork to the IRS. Also, if you're considering the backdoor Roth route for future years, it might be worth talking to a tax professional about whether you should roll your existing Traditional IRA balances into a current employer's 401k first (if your plan allows it). This can help you avoid the pro-rata rule complications down the road. The silver lining is that this is a "good problem to have" - your investments did well! Just an expensive lesson in tax planning for higher income years.

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This is such great advice about acting quickly! I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and was definitely underestimating how long the paperwork process takes. Can I ask which brokerage you used? I'm with Vanguard and trying to get a sense of their typical timeline for recharacterizations. Also, that's a really smart point about rolling existing Traditional IRA balances into a 401k to avoid pro-rata issues. I have about $150k in a Traditional IRA from an old employer and hadn't thought about that strategy. Do most 401k plans accept incoming rollovers like that, or is it something you have to specifically check with your plan administrator?

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QuantumQuasar

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As someone who's seen these schemes destroy people's financial lives, I want to emphasize just how dangerous this situation is. Your coworker isn't just risking tax penalties - they're potentially committing a federal crime. The "Revocation of Election" scheme is particularly insidious because it uses real tax terminology in a completely bogus way. A legitimate ROE applies to very specific situations like changing S-Corp elections or accounting methods. It has absolutely nothing to do with becoming exempt from taxes. What makes this even more concerning is the timing. Your coworker has been doing this for three years, which means they're likely past the point where this could be dismissed as a simple mistake. The IRS may view this as willful tax evasion, especially if they've been filing these frivolous documents repeatedly. The financial consequences alone will be devastating - we're talking about potentially $50,000+ in taxes, penalties, and interest for someone with even moderate income. But beyond that, willful tax evasion can result in criminal charges carrying up to 5 years in prison. Please urge your coworker to consult with a tax attorney immediately about voluntary disclosure options. The IRS Voluntary Disclosure Practice allows people to come forward before being investigated, which can help avoid criminal prosecution and reduce penalties. Every day they wait makes their situation worse. Don't let them become another cautionary tale. These schemes ALWAYS catch up with people eventually.

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Malik Jackson

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This is absolutely terrifying - I had no idea these schemes could potentially lead to criminal charges on top of all the financial penalties. The distinction you made about this potentially being viewed as "willful tax evasion" after three years really puts this in perspective. What scares me most is thinking about how confident my coworker seems about this whole thing. They're probably completely unaware that they could be facing prison time, not just a big tax bill. The way you explained how the IRS might view repeated frivolous filings as evidence of willful intent rather than innocent mistakes makes total sense. I'm definitely going to approach them this week about this, but now I'm wondering if I should be more direct about the criminal liability aspect rather than just focusing on the financial consequences. Maybe the threat of actual jail time will get through to them in a way that talk about penalties and interest won't. Thank you for mentioning the Voluntary Disclosure Practice - I'll make sure to emphasize that there are still options available if they act quickly, but that window is probably closing fast given how long they've been doing this.

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Toot-n-Mighty

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This entire thread has been incredibly eye-opening and frankly quite alarming. As someone who works in financial services, I see the aftermath of these schemes regularly, and I can confirm everything that's been shared here - the "Revocation of Election" tax exemption approach is absolutely not legitimate and will end in financial disaster. What particularly concerns me about your coworker's situation is the three-year timeframe. At this point, we're not just talking about someone who made an innocent mistake or fell for a scam briefly - this represents a pattern of behavior that the IRS will likely view as willful noncompliance. The distinction between "mistake" and "willful evasion" becomes crucial when criminal liability enters the picture. I've worked with clients who thought they were being clever by using these schemes, only to face collection actions years later that completely devastated their financial lives. One client ended up losing his house to tax liens after ignoring legitimate tax obligations for four years based on similar "sovereign citizen" type arguments. The most important point everyone has made is about voluntary disclosure. The window for minimizing damage is still open, but it closes permanently once the IRS initiates contact first. Your coworker needs to understand that their current path leads to only one destination: financial ruin and potentially criminal prosecution. Please emphasize to them that real tax professionals - CPAs, enrolled agents, tax attorneys - all know about these schemes and why they don't work. If these approaches were legitimate, every tax professional in the country would be using them.

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This perspective from someone in financial services really drives home how serious this situation has become. The point about the three-year pattern potentially being viewed as willful noncompliance rather than an innocent mistake is particularly sobering - it shows how what might have started as someone being misled by bad advice has now evolved into something much more dangerous legally. Your example about the client who lost his house to tax liens really illustrates the real-world consequences of these schemes. It's easy to think about penalties and interest in abstract terms, but when it translates to losing your home and having your financial life destroyed, the reality becomes much more stark. I think what you said about voluntary disclosure having a closing window is crucial for the original poster to understand. This isn't a situation where they can wait and see what happens - every day that passes makes their coworker's eventual reckoning worse and reduces the options available for minimizing the damage. The point about legitimate tax professionals knowing these schemes don't work is something I'll definitely emphasize when I talk to my coworker. If there were really legal ways to become completely exempt from taxes, wouldn't every CPA and tax attorney in the country be recommending them to their clients? The fact that no legitimate professional will touch these approaches should be a massive red flag.

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I've dealt with a few of these LTR 324c notices over the years through my tax practice, and I want to reassure you that this is one of the most routine IRS correspondences you can receive. It's definitely not an audit or indication of wrongdoing. The advice everyone has given here is excellent - your PayPal records and client emails will absolutely satisfy their documentation requirements. One small addition I'd make: when you create your response packet, consider adding a brief statement about your record-keeping practices. Something simple like "All income from freelance work was tracked using PayPal and reported accurately on my return" shows the IRS that you maintain organized records. Also, since you mentioned filing through TurboTax, you might want to include a copy of the relevant tax form pages showing where you reported this income (likely Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ). This helps the reviewer quickly see exactly what they're verifying against your supporting documentation. The timeline everyone mentioned (6-8 weeks) is pretty standard in my experience. Once you mail your response with certified mail, try to put it out of your mind. The IRS correspondence system moves slowly but surely, and you've clearly got everything they need to verify your reported income. You're handling this exactly the right way by gathering proper documentation and responding promptly. Your $6,700 refund should come through without any adjustments once they match up your records!

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Jacob Lewis

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I completely understand that sinking feeling when you first open an IRS letter! I went through the exact same thing with a LTR 324c about 9 months ago for freelance income that wasn't matching their system. Everyone here has given you fantastic advice - your PayPal records and client emails are exactly what the IRS needs to verify your $6,700 in side gig income. I just wanted to add a couple things that helped me feel more confident during the process: When you're putting together your response packet, consider organizing it like you're telling a story. Start with your cover letter explaining the situation, then your summary sheet showing all payments totaling $6,700, followed by the actual documentation in chronological order. I found this narrative approach made everything feel more cohesive. Also, don't be afraid to be slightly over-thorough rather than under-thorough. I included everything I could think of - PayPal exports, bank deposit records, client emails, even screenshots of my original tax filing showing where I reported the income. Better to give them more information than they need than to have them come back asking for additional documentation. One last thing - I set a phone reminder for about 6 weeks after mailing my response to check the "Where's My Refund" tool. Having that date in my calendar helped me not obsess over checking it every day! You've got all the right documentation and a clear path forward. This will be resolved soon and you'll have your car repair money. Hang in there!

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Alicia Stern

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This "telling a story" approach is such a great way to think about organizing the response packet! I've been feeling overwhelmed trying to figure out the best order for all my documents, but framing it as a narrative makes so much sense. Start with the explanation, show the summary, then walk through the proof chronologically. Your point about being over-thorough rather than under-thorough really resonates with me too. I was worried about sending too much documentation and making things confusing, but you're absolutely right that it's better to give them everything upfront than risk having to go through this process again if they need additional information. I love the idea of setting a calendar reminder instead of obsessively checking the refund tool every day - I can already tell I'm going to be tempted to do that! Having a specific date to check will definitely help me stay sane during the waiting period. Thanks for adding the reassurance about the car repair money too. It's been stressing me out that I was counting on that refund for something important, but everyone's positive experiences here give me confidence that this will get resolved properly. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your experience!

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