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I need some advice on calculating the "Earnings on Excess" for my HSA since HSA Bank apparently doesn't do this calculation for their customers. Happy to share my actual numbers to make this easier. Two key things to know: 1. Haven't filed my 2024 taxes yet - waiting to resolve this first 2. The overage just happened on December 30th (literally last minute problem) So here's my situation: * For 2024, I've contributed $3,782.49 and my employer kicked in $450 * That puts me at $4,232.49 total, which is $82.49 over the $4,150 annual limit HSA Bank just referred me to some formula reference without actually helping. I found an online calculator that might work, but I'm not sure if it's giving me the right numbers. What I'm trying to figure out: 1. Is the calculator's number accurate for earnings on excess? 2. The "Total Amount to be Withdrawn" it's showing is actually LESS than my actual excess amount ($82.49). Should I withdraw the calculated amount or just the full $82.49 I went over?
I'm currently traveling abroad and just got a call from my neighbor saying I received a letter from the IRS Bureau of the Fiscal Service. This is the first time I've ever gotten anything like this from them and I'm honestly freaking out a bit. I'm not scheduled to return home for another 3 weeks. My neighbor didn't open it (thankfully), so I have no idea what it actually says. I've been pretty diligent about filing and paying my taxes on time each year, but I'm worried I might have missed something or made a mistake. Does anyone know if these IRS collection letters have strict deadlines? Will I get hit with penalties if I wait until I get back to deal with it? I'm especially worried since it's from the "Bureau of the Fiscal Service" which sounds serious. UPDATE: My neighbor texted me that the return address is PO Box 51320, Philadelphia PA 19115. I think that's the address of the Bureau of the Fiscal Service. UPDATE #2: False alarm! Had my neighbor open it - turns out it was just notification of a tax refund I wasn't expecting. Talk about unnecessary stress!
While you're waiting to get home, it might be worth checking your IRS account online. You can create one at irs.gov/account and it shows any outstanding balances, notices sent, and payment plans. Might give you some peace of mind without having to open the letter.
Glad to hear it turned out to be good news! This is actually a great reminder for everyone - the Bureau of the Fiscal Service handles both incoming AND outgoing payments, so their letters aren't always bad news. That Philadelphia address is indeed commonly used for refund notifications and treasury payments. For future reference, you can usually tell the difference by looking at the envelope itself - collection notices typically have more urgent language like "IMPORTANT TAX NOTICE" or "FINAL NOTICE" prominently displayed, while refund notifications are usually more neutral in their presentation. Your experience is pretty common - the IRS does periodic reviews and sometimes catches deductions or credits that taxpayers missed, especially when tax laws change retroactively. Enjoy that unexpected $843!
So I'm working on my taxes and I'm super confused about how to handle some state tax stuff. Last year I ended up owing additional state taxes when I filed (had to write a check to my state for about $650). Now I'm doing this year's taxes and I'm wondering if I can deduct those state taxes I paid for last year on this year's federal return? I understand that if you GET a state tax refund, you have to add that to your taxable income the following year (which makes sense because you got a tax benefit). But what about the opposite scenario? If I PAID extra state taxes, shouldn't I get to deduct that somewhere? My tax software isn't making this clear and I've been googling for an hour with no straight answer. Anyone know how this works? Thanks in advance!
Just to add some clarity here - there's an important distinction between state taxes WITHHELD from your paycheck versus additional state taxes you PAY when filing. 1. Taxes withheld from paychecks throughout the year are deductible on that same year's federal return 2. Additional taxes paid when filing (like your $650) are deductible in the year you actually paid them So if you paid that $650 in April 2024 for your 2023 state taxes, you'd deduct it on your 2024 federal return that you file in 2025. Hope that helps!
Thank you for breaking this down! So if I understand correctly, what matters is the actual date I made the payment, not the tax year the payment was for? Does this also apply to estimated tax payments I might make during the year?
Exactly - what matters is when you actually made the payment, not what tax year it applies to. That's why your $650 payment counts for this year's federal return. Yes, this also applies to estimated tax payments. If you make quarterly estimated state tax payments during 2024, those would be deductible on your 2024 federal return (filed in 2025). The IRS considers all state tax payments based on when you pay them, whether they're withholding, estimated payments, or payments made when filing.
Don't forget you need to keep track of these payments yourself!! I learned this the hard way. TurboTax doesn't automatically know about that check you wrote to your state last year. You have to manually enter it when you get to the itemized deductions section. Same goes for any estimated state tax payments you made. Keep records of EVERYTHING because it's super easy to forget by the time next tax season rolls around.
What documentation do you need to keep? Just the canceled check or is there something specific from the state you should save?
Keep copies of canceled checks, bank statements showing the payment, or any confirmation receipts from online payments. If you paid online through your state's tax website, print out the confirmation page. For estimated payments, keep records of each quarterly payment - date, amount, and method of payment. I also recommend keeping a simple spreadsheet tracking all state tax payments throughout the year so you don't forget any when tax time comes around.
I need some help with a W2 issue regarding state income allocation. My employer has allocated about 90% of my income to State A (which has a higher tax rate) and only 10% to State B (with the lower tax rate). The problem is that I actually spent about half of my time working in each state last year. I know this mistake is on me because I didn't notify HR about my address change until several months after I actually moved. When I run the numbers, this error means I'll end up paying roughly $315 more in state taxes than I should. Has anyone dealt with this situation before? Is there a way to correct the state allocation on my W2 after the fact, or am I just stuck paying the higher amount to State A? Do I need to ask my employer for a corrected W2, or is there something I can do when filing my return to fix this? I'm using TurboTax if that makes any difference.
Don't forget that you might be able to get a credit in one state for taxes paid to the other, which could reduce the impact of this issue. Most states offer a credit for taxes paid to other states to avoid double taxation on the same income. When I had a similar issue, I still had to file in both states but ended up getting most of my money back through the credit system. Might not be the same in your case, but worth looking into!
I've been through this exact situation and wanted to share what worked for me. The key is understanding that your W-2 state allocation isn't set in stone - it's just your employer's best estimate based on their records. Here's what I did: I created a detailed log showing exactly which days I worked in each state (including any travel days), gathered supporting documents like lease agreements and utility bills with service dates, and filed as a part-year resident in both states. Most importantly, I included a brief explanation letter with my returns explaining why my allocation differed from the W-2. The process was smoother than I expected. State B (my new state) actually has a specific worksheet for situations like yours where the W-2 allocation doesn't match your actual work location. I ended up saving about $400 in state taxes. One tip: if you have any emails or calendar entries showing your work locations throughout the year, save those as backup documentation. The states care more about where you actually performed the work than what your employer reported, but they want to see that you can prove it.
So I'm doing my 2025 taxes now and I'm confused about a Capital Loss Carryover situation from 2024. Last year I had a total capital loss of -$520 from some terrible stock picks (lesson learned!). My other income for 2024 was only about $16,400, so after including the capital loss, my total income on Line 9 was $15,880. After taking the standard deduction, my taxable income for 2024 ended up being $0. Here's what's confusing me - I'm using tax software for my 2025 return and it's saying I have a Capital Loss Carryover from 2024 of -$520. Does this make sense? I thought maybe since my Line 9 income already factored in the -$520 loss and my taxable income was $0, that the loss would've been "used up" already. Anyone know how capital loss carryovers work when you had $0 taxable income the previous year? I'm so confused!
Just to add another perspective - I had a similar situation but with a bigger loss ($8,000) in 2024 when my income was only about $25,000. My accountant explained that the way it works is: 1. Capital losses first offset capital gains (I had none) 2. Then up to $3,000 can offset ordinary income (which happened on my Line 9) 3. But since that $3,000 reduction didn't actually reduce my tax (I was still under the standard deduction), I get to carry over the full $8,000 to 2025 So in your case, you definitely have a $520 carryover to use this year. The software is right!
Thanks for breaking this down! So does that mean in my case with the $520 loss, I get to carry over the full $520? Or is it reduced somehow because it was included in my Line 9 calculation last year?
You get to carry over the full $520. The key factor isn't whether it was included in your Line 9 calculation - it's whether it actually provided a tax benefit. Since your taxable income was already $0 (below the standard deduction), the capital loss didn't actually reduce your tax liability. Therefore, you get to carry over the entire $520 to use this year. The capital loss carryover essentially "waits" until it can actually help reduce your taxes.
Something important that nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're filling out Form 8949 and Schedule D correctly this year! You'll need to report your capital loss carryover on Schedule D line 6 if it's a short-term loss or line 14 if it's a long-term loss. You don't need to list it again on Form 8949. I messed this up last year and included my carryover loss on both forms, which confused the IRS and resulted in a letter asking for clarification. Don't make my mistake!
Wait, how do you know if your carryover loss is short-term or long-term? My loss from last year was from stocks I held for like 6 months before selling.
If you held the stocks for 6 months before selling, that would be a short-term capital loss since you held them for less than one year. Short-term means you owned the asset for one year or less, and long-term means you owned it for more than one year. So your carryover loss would go on Schedule D line 6 (short-term capital loss carryover from prior year). The holding period that determines short-term vs long-term is based on when you originally bought and sold the stocks that created the loss, not how long you've been carrying over the loss.
Malik Davis
I went through this exact same situation with HSA Bank last year and it's incredibly frustrating that they don't help with the calculation. Here's what I learned: Since your excess contribution happened on December 30th, you're actually in a pretty good position - there's only been 2 days for any gains/losses to accumulate. The fact that the calculator is showing less than your $82.49 excess means your HSA investments had a small loss during those two days. You should definitely withdraw the calculated amount (not just the $82.49). The IRS requires you to remove the excess contribution adjusted for any proportional gains or losses. In your case, the loss actually works in your favor since you'll withdraw slightly less than what you contributed. Make sure to: 1. Request that HSA Bank code this as an "excess contribution removal" on your 1099-SA 2. Complete the withdrawal before you file your 2024 taxes 3. Be prepared for HSA Bank's $25 processing fee Since you haven't filed your 2024 taxes yet, you're well within the deadline and won't need to worry about the 6% excise tax or Form 5329 as long as you handle this promptly.
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Cynthia Love
I just went through this exact same mess with HSA Bank a few months ago - they're absolutely terrible at helping customers with these calculations! The good news is that since your excess happened so late in the year (December 30th), you're dealing with minimal earnings/losses. Here's what you need to know: If the calculator is showing a withdrawal amount less than your $82.49 excess, that means your HSA investments had a small loss during those final two days of the year. This actually works in your favor - you only need to withdraw the calculated amount, not the full excess. The IRS formula is: (Excess Contribution) ร (Net Income รท Fair Market Value). Since your account value dropped slightly, the "Net Income" part is negative, reducing your required withdrawal. Make sure to: - Request HSA Bank code this as "excess contribution removal" - Get it done before filing your 2024 taxes - Budget for their annoying $25 processing fee Since you're handling this in January and haven't filed yet, you're well within the deadline and won't face the 6% excise tax. The withdrawal will show on a 2025 1099-SA but corrects your 2024 contribution limit issue.
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Ravi Kapoor
Yes, you're exactly right! If your HSA lost value during the period your excess contribution was in the account, you withdraw less than the excess amount. It's one of the few silver linings in this frustrating process. The IRS calculation is detailed in Publication 969 (Health Savings Accounts and Other Tax-Favored Health Plans). The specific formula is in the section about correcting excess contributions. You can also find it in IRS Notice 2004-50, which provides the computational guidance. Since your excess happened earlier in the year, your calculation will be more complex than OP's December situation. You'll need your account values from the date of excess contribution through December 31st. If your HSA provider won't help with the calculation, those online tools mentioned earlier (like taxr.ai) might be worth the cost given the complexity of a full-year calculation. The key is getting the exact dates and account values right - any mistakes could cause issues with the IRS later.
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Dmitry Sokolov
Yes, you're exactly right! If your HSA lost value during the period your excess contribution was in the account, you withdraw less than the excess amount. It's one of the few silver linings in this frustrating process. You can find the detailed formula in IRS Publication 969 (Health Savings Accounts and Other Tax-Favored Health Plans), specifically in the section about excess contributions. The formula is: Excess Contribution ร (Adjusted Net Income รท Adjusted Fair Market Value at end of period). When your HSA investments decline, the "Adjusted Net Income" becomes negative, which reduces your required withdrawal below the excess contribution amount. So if you over-contributed $100 but your account value dropped during that period, you might only need to withdraw $95 or so. The key is getting your HSA provider to calculate this correctly since they have access to your daily account values. Most online calculators work fine, but double-check that they're using your actual account performance data for the specific period your excess was in the account.
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