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Something nobody has mentioned yet - if your income is below certain thresholds, you might qualify for QBI even without meeting the safe harbor! For 2025 filing, the phase-out begins at $182,100 for single filers or $364,200 for married filing jointly. Below those thresholds, the IRS tends to be less stringent about the exact nature of the "trade or business" requirement for rental properties. My CPA advised that with good documentation and business-like treatment of the property (separate accounts, proper record-keeping), a single rental property has a strong case for QBI qualification if you're under those income limits.

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Yuki Sato

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That's really interesting! My total income including the rental is around $155,000, so I'm below that threshold. Does this mean I might qualify even without hitting the 250 hours of rental services?

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Yes, you're in a good position being under the threshold! While the 250-hour safe harbor provides a guaranteed way to qualify, rental properties can still qualify as a "trade or business" under Section 162 based on facts and circumstances. At your income level, if you're operating the rental in a businesslike manner (separate accounts, proper documentation, profit motive, etc.), you have a very reasonable position to claim the QBI deduction. Just make sure you have good records of all rental activities, including those performed by your management company, to support your position that this is a business activity rather than just an investment.

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Based on your situation, you have a decent chance of qualifying for the QBI deduction, especially since your rental income appears to be well below the income thresholds mentioned by Giovanni. Here are a few key points for your specific case: 1. **Documentation is crucial**: Start requesting detailed activity logs from your property management company. Even if they don't currently track hours, most can provide estimates for time spent on tenant placement, maintenance coordination, inspections, etc. 2. **Business treatment matters**: Since you're using a professional management company and treating this as a business operation, you're already on the right track. Make sure you have separate bank accounts and maintain good records. 3. **Don't overlook your own time**: While the management company handles day-to-day operations, any time you spend reviewing their reports, making decisions about repairs, researching the rental market, or meeting with your accountant about the property can count toward qualifying activities. 4. **Consider the facts and circumstances test**: Even if you can't document 250 hours, your situation (professional management, business bank accounts, profit motive) suggests you're operating a trade or business rather than just holding an investment property. Given that you're earning $2,350/month in rent, the QBI deduction could save you several hundred to over a thousand dollars depending on your tax bracket. Definitely worth pursuing with proper documentation!

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Mason Lopez

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I'm dealing with the exact same situation right now! Filed through TurboTax about 2 weeks ago, WMR tool shows it was deposited Tuesday but my Chase account is still empty. Called my bank and they confirmed nothing was received on their end. It's so frustrating when the IRS system says one thing but reality is completely different. I'm going to wait until early next week like others suggested before calling the IRS directly. Really hoping it just shows up randomly like some people mentioned. Keep us updated on what happens with yours!

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I'm in the exact same boat! Filed with TaxSlayer 3 weeks ago and it's been saying "deposited Monday" but nothing in my account either. It's really frustrating when you need the money and the system keeps giving you false hope. I've been reading through all these responses and it sounds like this delay is pretty common this year. Going to try calling my bank one more time to make sure they didn't put any kind of hold on it, then probably wait until Monday like others suggested. This whole process is so stressful! Definitely keep me posted on what happens with yours too.

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This is such a common issue during tax season! I went through the exact same thing last year with TaxSlayer. The "Where's My Refund" tool said my deposit was sent on a Wednesday, but it didn't actually hit my account until the following Tuesday - 6 days later. I called my bank multiple times and they kept saying they hadn't received anything, which made me panic. Turns out the IRS marks refunds as "sent" when they're just approved for processing, not when they're actually transmitted to your bank. The ACH system can take several more business days after that. Since you're only at Thursday and it showed as deposited Monday, I'd definitely give it until early next week before getting too worried. The timing sounds totally normal based on my experience. Hang in there!

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Arjun Patel

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Another option worth considering is to live in the property for 2 out of 5 years before selling. That way you can exclude a big chunk of gains ($250k single/$500k married) through the primary residence exclusion. You'll still owe the depreciation recapture, but potentially no capital gains taxes. This strategy works better for smaller properties that you don't mind living in for a while.

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That's an interesting idea. So if I buy a duplex, live in half and rent the other half for a couple years, then fully rent it out for a bit, then move back in before selling - I could potentially get some of these tax benefits?

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Arjun Patel

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Exactly! This strategy works really well with duplexes or similar properties. If you live in one unit for at least 2 years within the 5-year period before selling, you can qualify for the primary residence exclusion. Just be aware that you'll still owe depreciation recapture tax on the portion of the property that was used as a rental. But avoiding capital gains tax can be huge, especially in markets where properties appreciate significantly. I did this with a duplex in Colorado and saved about $42,000 in capital gains taxes when I sold, only paying recapture on the rental portion's depreciation.

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Jade Lopez

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You guys are overlooking something important - when you pass away, your heirs get a stepped-up basis to fair market value, and all that deferred depreciation recapture disappears! If you're planning to keep properties for your lifetime, this is the ultimate tax strategy. My parents did this with several rental properties and avoided hundreds of thousands in recapture and capital gains taxes.

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Tony Brooks

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Is that really true? So if I never sell my rentals and just leave them to my kids, they never have to pay the recapture taxes? Seems too good to be true.

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Zara Ahmed

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Yes, that's absolutely correct! The stepped-up basis at death is one of the most powerful wealth transfer strategies in real estate. When your heirs inherit the property, they receive it at fair market value as of the date of death, which essentially "erases" all the accumulated depreciation and capital gains. So if you bought a rental for $200k, took $50k in depreciation deductions over the years, and it's worth $400k when you pass away, your heirs inherit it with a $400k basis - no recapture taxes owed on that $50k of depreciation you claimed. This is why many wealthy families focus on "buy and hold forever" strategies rather than selling and paying taxes. Just keep in mind that tax laws can change, and there have been periodic discussions about limiting or eliminating the stepped-up basis rules. But under current law, it's an incredibly powerful strategy for generational wealth building through real estate.

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Can a business owner write off a Ferrari as a business expense?

Hey everyone, I own a digital marketing agency and I've been thinking about buying a Ferrari. I know this sounds crazy, but hear me out. From what I've researched, if you have a business like a farm and use a truck for farm operations, you can write off that vehicle as a business expense. But my situation is obviously different. With my online marketing business, I'm wondering if there's ANY way I could legitimately write off a portion of a sports car purchase? Maybe through depreciation or some other tax strategy? I'm not expecting to write off the whole thing, just curious if there are any legitimate options. I know this might sound like I'm trying to game the system, so please don't jump down my throat. When I google this stuff, I find really conflicting information. Is this something that varies based on how aggressive your accountant is? Or just how comfortable you are with audit risk? Here's another example that confuses me: My cousin owns rental properties scattered across different states and flies his private plane to visit them. He didn't HAVE to buy properties so far apart, but he still deducts those travel expenses. So how is that different from me writing off a car I use to drive to client meetings or work at different coffee shops, even though I could technically work from home? I've even seen YouTube videos claiming this is possible. Are these people just spreading misinformation or is there some truth to it? Thanks for any insights!

The key thing everyone's missing here is that the IRS doesn't actually prohibit deducting luxury vehicles - they just limit HOW MUCH you can deduct through depreciation caps. I've seen this work successfully for clients in industries where image matters (luxury real estate, high-end consulting, wealth management). The Ferrari becomes part of your professional brand and client experience. But here's what you absolutely MUST do: 1. Keep a detailed mileage log for EVERY trip (business apps like MileIQ make this easier) 2. Document the business purpose for each trip 3. Keep receipts for all vehicle expenses 4. Consider having it titled under your business entity 5. Be prepared to justify the business necessity if audited The luxury auto limits mean you're looking at roughly $19K max deduction in year one regardless of the car's actual cost. So from a pure tax perspective, you're not getting the full benefit anyway. Bottom line: It's legal if done correctly, but make sure the business benefit justifies the audit risk and limited deduction amount.

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This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was hoping for! The $19K depreciation cap actually makes this way less attractive than I initially thought. I'm curious though - you mentioned having it titled under the business entity. Does that create any additional complications with insurance or personal use restrictions? And for someone just starting to consider this, would you recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in high-net-worth clients, or is this something a regular CPA could handle?

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Great question about business titling! Yes, there are some complications to consider. Business-owned vehicles typically require commercial insurance, which can be more expensive. You'll also need to be very careful about personal use - if the business owns it, personal use should be minimal and properly documented/reported as a taxable benefit. For someone considering this route, I'd definitely recommend a tax professional who regularly deals with business vehicle deductions and high-value assets. A regular CPA might not be familiar with all the nuances, especially around luxury auto limits and audit defense strategies. Look for someone who's handled IRS audits involving vehicle deductions before. One more thing - consider whether the Ferrari purchase makes sense from a cash flow perspective given the limited deduction. Sometimes clients get so focused on the tax benefit they forget the economics don't always work out, especially with luxury auto depreciation caps.

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As someone who's been through multiple IRS audits, I want to add a practical perspective here. Yes, you CAN deduct a Ferrari for legitimate business use, but let me tell you what actually happens when you do. First, that return is getting flagged. Period. High-value vehicle deductions on business returns get extra attention, especially if your other business expenses seem modest in comparison. Second, be prepared to prove EVERYTHING. I had a client who bought a Porsche for his financial advisory practice (legitimately used for client meetings). During audit, the IRS wanted: - Complete mileage logs for 2 full years - Proof of business meetings for every logged trip - Client testimonials about how the vehicle enhanced business relationships - Evidence that he had a separate personal vehicle - Documentation showing the business necessity vs. alternatives The audit took 18 months and cost more in professional fees than the tax savings. He kept the deduction, but barely broke even after legal costs. My advice? If you're going to do this, treat it like you're already being audited from day one. Document everything obsessively, and make sure the business benefit genuinely justifies both the limited tax savings and the inevitable scrutiny. Sometimes the best tax strategy is the one that doesn't paint a target on your back.

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Jamal Harris

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This real-world perspective is incredibly valuable, thank you for sharing! The 18-month audit timeline and professional fees eating up the tax savings is exactly the kind of hidden cost most people don't consider. Quick question - when you mention treating it "like you're already being audited from day one," are there specific documentation practices or software tools you'd recommend? I'm thinking beyond just basic mileage tracking - maybe something that integrates GPS data with calendar appointments to automatically link trips to business purposes? Also, did your client's audit experience reveal any particular "red flags" the IRS focuses on with luxury vehicle deductions that might not be obvious to someone setting this up initially?

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Can a Tax Preparer Recommend a Sole Proprietor Pay Themselves a W2 Salary? Is This Legit?

I've been doing bookkeeping on the side while finishing my accounting degree, and I'm facing a situation that seems really questionable. One of my small business clients (a sole proprietor) has been paying himself a W2 salary, which immediately raised red flags for me. I suggested he should be taking owner's draws instead, but he insisted his tax preparer told him the salary approach was fine. I was skeptical, so I asked if he'd filed as an S Corporation, which would make the salary approach make sense. He had no clue what business entity he was, so I requested his tax return to check. Turns out he's filing a Schedule C on his 1040 as a sole proprietor - definitely not an S Corp. Yet his tax preparer has him paying himself a salary, withholding payroll taxes (with the employer half being "paid" by his business), and then deducting the employer portion on Schedule C. The W2 income shows up on his personal return as you'd expect. Is there ANY legitimate explanation for this setup? What risks or penalties might he face if this is improper? Is the main issue the incorrect deduction of the "employer" portion of payroll taxes? The tax preparer only charged $275 for his return, which makes me think they either don't know what they're doing or just don't care. I'm planning to recommend he either take proper owner's draws or actually file as an S Corp if he wants the salary approach. Any insights on this situation would be greatly appreciated!

Amina Sy

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Quick question about all this - I'm just a dog walker who files Schedule C. My tax software is showing an option for "paying myself" - should I just ignore that completely and stick to owner draws?

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Yes, absolutely ignore the "paying myself" option for a Schedule C business. As a sole proprietor, you should only be taking owner draws, which aren't even reported on your Schedule C. The profit from your Schedule C is your income - you don't "pay yourself" as a separate step for tax purposes.

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Zara Ahmed

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This situation is unfortunately more common than it should be. I've seen several cases where tax preparers set up sole proprietors with payroll systems, often because they're using generic business software that assumes corporate structures. The $275 fee is definitely a red flag - proper business tax preparation requires understanding entity structures, and competent preparers charge appropriately for that expertise. Your instincts are absolutely correct here. Beyond the immediate tax issues others have mentioned, there's also a compliance nightmare brewing. If your client is running payroll, they're likely supposed to be filing quarterly 941 forms, making federal tax deposits, potentially dealing with state payroll requirements, etc. All of this creates unnecessary administrative burden and potential penalties for a structure that shouldn't exist. I'd strongly recommend your client consult with a qualified tax professional (CPA or EA) to clean this up. They'll need to decide whether to amend previous returns or just correct going forward, depending on the amounts involved and audit risk tolerance. The sooner this gets fixed, the better - especially before any IRS correspondence arrives. Your recommendation about either taking proper draws or electing S-Corp status is spot-on. The client needs to pick a lane and do it correctly.

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