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Tasia Synder

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One important thing nobody's mentioned yet - your investment interest deduction is limited to your net investment income for the year. If you don't have much investment income (interest, dividends, capital gains, etc.), you might not be able to use the full interest deduction this year. The good news is that any excess investment interest expense can be carried forward indefinitely to future tax years. So document everything carefully, and you can use those deductions in future years when you hopefully have income from the property or other investments.

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So if most of my income is from my regular job and I don't have much investment income this year, I probably can't deduct much of the interest? Does rental income count as investment income for this purpose?

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Tasia Synder

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You're exactly right that if most of your income is from employment (W-2 income), you'll have limited ability to deduct investment interest this year. Employment income doesn't count toward the investment income limitation. Regarding rental income, that's an important distinction - if the property was generating rental income, it would typically be considered passive activity income rather than investment income. The rules get complicated here, but generally rental real estate activities fall under passive activity rules (Section 469) rather than investment interest expense limitations (Section 163(d)). Since your land isn't currently generating rental income, this distinction doesn't matter right now, but it could become relevant if you develop the property and rent it out in the future.

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I think you might be overthinking this given that it's raw land sitting in an LLC with no income. I went through this exact scenario. The simplest approach for now: file a partnership return (Form 1065) for the LLC showing the interest paid as an expense. This will generate K-1s showing your 50% of the expenses. You can then report this on your Schedule E, and it will offset any future income from the property. If you're up against the deadline today, file for another extension for the LLC return (Form 7004) which would give you until next March for the partnership return. Your personal extension can't be extended further, but at least you can file your personal return now without the K-1 info (since it shows no income and wouldn't change your tax) and amend later if needed.

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But isn't the deadline for partnership returns normally March 15th? So an extension would only be until September 15th, not next March? I'm confused about the timeline you're suggesting.

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You're absolutely right about the timeline confusion! Partnership returns (Form 1065) are due March 15th with a 6-month extension to September 15th, not the following March. I misstated that completely. Since we're already past the September 15th deadline for 2023 partnership returns, the LLC would need to file late and potentially face penalties. However, if the LLC had no income and minimal expenses, the penalties might be relatively small. @Selena Bautista - thanks for catching my error on the extension timeline. Given that it s'already October, filing the partnership return late might be the only option at this point, unless they can argue reasonable cause for the delay.

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Don't forget podcasts as a supplement to books! "Planet Money" by NPR has several excellent episodes on taxation that might help spark your interest before diving into heavier books. Their episodes "Tax Hero" and "Paying for the Crime" are particularly good introductions to tax concepts. There's also the "Taxology" podcast which is surprisingly entertaining despite focusing exclusively on tax history and policy. I've found listening to these while commuting helps build background knowledge that makes the books easier to understand.

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Any specific Planet Money episodes you'd recommend starting with? They have hundreds of episodes, and searching for tax-related ones is bringing up too many results.

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Start with episode #945 "The Liberty City" about tax havens and how they work - it plays out like a fascinating economic mystery story. Then try #420 "The Tax Man Cometh" which explores the history of income tax in America. Both use narrative storytelling techniques that make tax concepts really accessible. For Taxology, I'd recommend starting with their episode on "The Boston Tea Party Revisited" which gives amazing context to how tax resistance shaped American identity from the beginning. Their "History of the IRS" episode is also excellent and helps explain why our tax administration works the way it does today.

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Adriana Cohn

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As someone who also struggled with the dry nature of tax topics, I found that starting with "The Power to Destroy: How the Antitax Movement Hijacked America" by Michael Graetz really opened my eyes to how taxation connects to broader American political culture. It reads more like political history than a tax book, but gave me the conceptual framework that made everything else click. Another approach that worked for me was reading "The Hidden Wealth of Nations" by Gabriel Zucman alongside some of the books mentioned here. It's about tax avoidance and offshore banking, but understanding how the wealthy navigate (or circumvent) the tax system actually helped me better appreciate why certain rules exist for regular taxpayers like us. One thing I'd suggest is not trying to tackle too many dense books at once. I made that mistake initially and got overwhelmed. Pick one that sounds most interesting based on the recommendations here, read it thoroughly, then move to the next. The context from each book builds on the others in ways that aren't obvious at first.

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This is exactly the kind of approach I was hoping to find! Starting with political history rather than diving straight into tax mechanics makes so much more sense for someone with a humanities background. "The Power to Destroy" sounds like it would give me that broader context I'm craving. I really appreciate the advice about not overwhelming myself with too many books at once - I definitely have a tendency to create huge reading lists and then abandon them when they feel unmanageable. Taking it one book at a time and letting each build on the last seems much more sustainable. The Gabriel Zucman recommendation is intriguing too. Understanding how the system gets gamed might actually make the legitimate rules feel less arbitrary and more purposeful. Thanks for these thoughtful suggestions!

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When you file the amended return with Form 8936, be prepared to wait much longer than usual for your refund. I amended for the EV credit back in February and still waiting. The IRS website still shows "received" as the status. 😤

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Ethan Scott

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I amended for the same reason in March and got my refund about 16 weeks later. The "Where's My Amended Return" tool never updated beyond "received" but the money showed up in my account. Check your bank account - it might have come through already!

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I'm in a very similar situation! Just realized I forgot to claim the EV credit for my Model Y purchased in August 2023. Reading through all these responses has been super helpful - sounds like I definitely need to file Form 1040-X with Form 8936. Quick question for everyone who's been through this process: How long did it actually take from mailing your amended return to getting the refund? I'm seeing conflicting timeframes here - some saying 16 weeks, others still waiting since February. Also, did anyone try e-filing the amendment or is mail the only option for this situation? Thanks for all the detailed info, especially about checking VIN eligibility and the various tools mentioned. This community is awesome!

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Welcome to the amended return club! Based on my experience and what I've seen others report here, processing times seem to vary quite a bit. I filed my 1040-X with Form 8936 in January and got my refund after about 20 weeks - definitely longer than the typical 16 weeks they quote, but it did come through eventually. For e-filing, unfortunately most tax software (including TurboTax) doesn't support e-filing amended returns with Form 8936 yet. I ended up having to print and mail everything. Make sure to send it certified mail so you have proof of delivery - that really helps if you need to call and check on status later. One tip: keep copies of absolutely everything and take photos of your mailed package. The IRS "Where's My Amended Return" tool is pretty unreliable, so having your own documentation helps a lot if you need to follow up. Good luck with your amendment!

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Something nobody has mentioned yet - if your income is below certain thresholds, you might qualify for QBI even without meeting the safe harbor! For 2025 filing, the phase-out begins at $182,100 for single filers or $364,200 for married filing jointly. Below those thresholds, the IRS tends to be less stringent about the exact nature of the "trade or business" requirement for rental properties. My CPA advised that with good documentation and business-like treatment of the property (separate accounts, proper record-keeping), a single rental property has a strong case for QBI qualification if you're under those income limits.

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Yuki Sato

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That's really interesting! My total income including the rental is around $155,000, so I'm below that threshold. Does this mean I might qualify even without hitting the 250 hours of rental services?

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Yes, you're in a good position being under the threshold! While the 250-hour safe harbor provides a guaranteed way to qualify, rental properties can still qualify as a "trade or business" under Section 162 based on facts and circumstances. At your income level, if you're operating the rental in a businesslike manner (separate accounts, proper documentation, profit motive, etc.), you have a very reasonable position to claim the QBI deduction. Just make sure you have good records of all rental activities, including those performed by your management company, to support your position that this is a business activity rather than just an investment.

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Based on your situation, you have a decent chance of qualifying for the QBI deduction, especially since your rental income appears to be well below the income thresholds mentioned by Giovanni. Here are a few key points for your specific case: 1. **Documentation is crucial**: Start requesting detailed activity logs from your property management company. Even if they don't currently track hours, most can provide estimates for time spent on tenant placement, maintenance coordination, inspections, etc. 2. **Business treatment matters**: Since you're using a professional management company and treating this as a business operation, you're already on the right track. Make sure you have separate bank accounts and maintain good records. 3. **Don't overlook your own time**: While the management company handles day-to-day operations, any time you spend reviewing their reports, making decisions about repairs, researching the rental market, or meeting with your accountant about the property can count toward qualifying activities. 4. **Consider the facts and circumstances test**: Even if you can't document 250 hours, your situation (professional management, business bank accounts, profit motive) suggests you're operating a trade or business rather than just holding an investment property. Given that you're earning $2,350/month in rent, the QBI deduction could save you several hundred to over a thousand dollars depending on your tax bracket. Definitely worth pursuing with proper documentation!

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Mason Lopez

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I'm dealing with the exact same situation right now! Filed through TurboTax about 2 weeks ago, WMR tool shows it was deposited Tuesday but my Chase account is still empty. Called my bank and they confirmed nothing was received on their end. It's so frustrating when the IRS system says one thing but reality is completely different. I'm going to wait until early next week like others suggested before calling the IRS directly. Really hoping it just shows up randomly like some people mentioned. Keep us updated on what happens with yours!

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I'm in the exact same boat! Filed with TaxSlayer 3 weeks ago and it's been saying "deposited Monday" but nothing in my account either. It's really frustrating when you need the money and the system keeps giving you false hope. I've been reading through all these responses and it sounds like this delay is pretty common this year. Going to try calling my bank one more time to make sure they didn't put any kind of hold on it, then probably wait until Monday like others suggested. This whole process is so stressful! Definitely keep me posted on what happens with yours too.

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This is such a common issue during tax season! I went through the exact same thing last year with TaxSlayer. The "Where's My Refund" tool said my deposit was sent on a Wednesday, but it didn't actually hit my account until the following Tuesday - 6 days later. I called my bank multiple times and they kept saying they hadn't received anything, which made me panic. Turns out the IRS marks refunds as "sent" when they're just approved for processing, not when they're actually transmitted to your bank. The ACH system can take several more business days after that. Since you're only at Thursday and it showed as deposited Monday, I'd definitely give it until early next week before getting too worried. The timing sounds totally normal based on my experience. Hang in there!

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