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Mae Bennett

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3 Does anyone know if donating stuff instead of money makes any difference tax-wise? I have a bunch of clothes and furniture I could donate to Goodwill instead of giving cash to charities.

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Mae Bennett

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8 Donating items instead of cash still counts as a charitable contribution, but there are some important differences: For non-cash donations, you generally deduct the fair market value of the items (what they would sell for in used condition, not what you paid for them new). For donations over $250, you'll need a receipt from the charity. For donations over $500, you'll need to fill out Form 8283, and for donations over $5,000, you typically need a qualified appraisal.

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Mae Bennett

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3 Thanks for the clear explanation! So I'd still face the same problem as with cash donations - I'd need to itemize to get any tax benefit. Guess I'll donate my stuff anyway since it helps the charity, but I won't count on any tax breaks.

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Nia Thompson

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One thing to consider is using a donor-advised fund (DAF) if you're planning to give regularly. You can contribute a larger lump sum to the DAF in a year when you itemize (like if you have higher medical expenses or other deductions), get the immediate tax deduction, then distribute the funds to your chosen charities over multiple years. For example, you could contribute $3,000-4,000 to a DAF in a year when itemizing makes sense, then recommend grants of $1,300 annually to your preferred charities. This gives you more control over the timing of your tax deduction while still supporting the causes you care about consistently. Many brokerage firms like Fidelity, Vanguard, and Schwab offer DAFs with low minimum contributions and fees. Just another strategy to consider as your giving grows over time!

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StarStrider

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That's a really smart approach I hadn't considered! The donor-advised fund strategy seems like it could work well with the bunching method others mentioned. So in years when I have higher medical expenses or other deductions that might push me closer to itemizing, I could front-load multiple years of charitable giving into the DAF and get the tax benefit, then distribute it out over time. Do you know what the typical minimum contribution is for these DAFs at the major brokerages? And are there any downsides or restrictions I should be aware of before going this route?

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NebulaNomad

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I'd recommend attaching Form 433-F (Collection Information Statement) along with your 9465 if you're requesting a payment plan for a larger amount or if you can't afford what would normally be the minimum payment. This form shows your income, expenses, assets, and debts. It's extra paperwork but it helps prove to the IRS what you can actually afford to pay each month and increases your chances of getting approved for lower monthly payments if you're truly in a financial hardship situation.

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Luca Ferrari

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Is that required? I'm trying to do this quickly and don't want to fill out more forms than I need to.

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Form 433-F isn't required for all installment agreements, but it's highly recommended if you owe more than $25,000 or if you can't afford the standard minimum payment amounts that the IRS typically expects. If you owe less and can propose a reasonable monthly payment that will clear your debt within 72 months, you can often get by with just the 9465. However, if your financial situation is tight and you need to propose a lower payment amount, the 433-F helps justify why you can't pay more. It's basically your financial proof that supports your payment proposal. Without it, the IRS might just reject a low payment proposal assuming you can afford more.

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StarSeeker

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One thing I wish someone had told me when I filled out my Form 9465 is to double-check your Social Security Number and the tax year you're requesting the installment agreement for. I made a simple typo in my SSN and it delayed my application by weeks while they tried to match it to my account. Also, if you're married filing jointly, make sure you're clear about whether both spouses are requesting the installment agreement or just one of you. This was confusing for me since my spouse and I file jointly but only I was responsible for the additional tax owed. The IRS website has a payment estimator tool that can help you figure out what monthly payment amount to propose, but honestly the explanations here about the 72-month rule and adding buffer for interest are really helpful. Good luck with your application!

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QuantumQuest

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Thanks for mentioning the SSN double-check tip! I'm getting ready to fill out my own 9465 and hadn't even thought about that kind of simple mistake causing delays. Quick question - when you say "payment estimator tool" on the IRS website, is that something separate from the form itself? I've been looking around their site but it's pretty confusing to navigate.

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Zoe Walker

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses! This is incredibly helpful. I've been checking sporadically throughout the day but clearly I need to adjust my strategy to those early morning hours. @Ethan Taylor - your documentation is amazing, that level of detail gives me confidence there's actually a predictable pattern here. I'll start checking consistently between 1-3am ET starting tonight. One follow-up question: once the transcript does update, how quickly do you typically see the actual refund hit your bank account? I'm hoping to time some bill payments around the deposit.

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From my experience, once your transcript shows the 846 refund code with a deposit date, you can typically expect the funds to hit your account within 1-3 business days of that date. The IRS usually processes direct deposits overnight, so if your transcript shows a Friday deposit date, you'll likely see it in your account by Monday morning (assuming no banking holidays). For bill payment timing, I'd recommend waiting until you actually see the deposit before scheduling anything critical - sometimes there can be slight delays on the banking side even when the IRS releases the funds on schedule.

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I've been tracking this for years and want to add some nuance to the excellent advice already shared. While the 12am-3am ET window is accurate, I've noticed that identity verification cases often follow a slightly different pattern. After verification, your transcript may show what's called a "processing hold" code (usually 570 or 971) before the actual refund information appears. This can add 1-2 additional processing cycles beyond the standard timeframe. Also, pro tip: if you're checking obsessively like most of us do, try using the mobile IRS2Go app in addition to the website - sometimes one updates before the other due to different caching systems. I've seen my app show updates up to 4 hours before the desktop site reflected the same information. The key is patience after verification - it's almost always longer than the standard processing time, but the refund does eventually come through.

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This is incredibly detailed - thank you! The processing hold codes you mentioned (570/971) are exactly what I was worried about seeing. Quick question: when you experienced those hold codes after identity verification, how long did it typically take to move from the hold to seeing the actual 846 refund code? I'm trying to set realistic expectations since this is my first time dealing with the verification process. Also, great tip about the mobile app - I had no idea there could be timing differences between platforms!

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Just want to point out that the IRS is actually super backlogged right now. My friend had a similar excess contribution issue from 2022 and didn't get an IRS notice about additional penalties until January 2025 - almost 3 years later! So just because you haven't received a notice doesn't mean you're in the clear. The interest keeps accumulating the whole time, even if they're slow sending the notice. Better to be proactive like you're doing!

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Ava Thompson

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I went through something very similar last year and can offer some perspective on the timeline and what to expect. First, yes, you likely do owe additional penalties beyond the $390 excise tax. The failure-to-file penalty for Form 5329 is typically 5% of the unpaid tax per month (up to 25%), and failure-to-pay is 0.5% per month (up to 25%), plus interest compounding daily. For your situation, filing almost 2 years late, you're probably looking at the maximum penalties plus accumulated interest. In my case, a similar delay resulted in about $180 in additional penalties and interest on top of the base excise tax. Regarding the IRS notice - don't count on getting one anytime soon. The IRS is massively backlogged, and many people are waiting 2-3 years for notices on issues like this. The interest keeps accumulating whether they send you a notice or not. My recommendation: Call the IRS directly (or use a service to get through faster) to get the exact amount you owe. Once you have that number, pay it immediately to stop further interest accumulation. You can also explore the reasonable cause exception if this was truly an honest mistake - the IRS sometimes waives additional penalties for first-time errors when you demonstrate good faith efforts to correct the situation. The key is being proactive rather than waiting for them to contact you, which may never happen or could take years.

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Mason Lopez

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This is really helpful, thanks for sharing your experience! $180 in additional penalties doesn't sound too bad considering how long it was delayed. Quick question - when you called the IRS, were you able to get the exact breakdown of how they calculated the penalties and interest? I'm curious if their calculation matched what any of the online tools would estimate, or if there were surprises in how they applied the rates. Also, did you end up trying the reasonable cause exception, and if so, how did that process work out?

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Mateo Perez

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Has anyone actually calculated how much the student loan payment savings is compared to the tax hit? When my husband and I were in this situation, we found filing jointly saved us $3,200 in taxes, while filing separately only reduced student loan payments by about $1,800 annually. The math didn't work out for separate filing in our case.

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Aisha Rahman

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It really depends on your specific income levels and loan balances. For us, it was the opposite. Filing separately increased our tax bill by $1,700 but decreased my wife's loan payments by $320/month, so about $3,840 annually. Net benefit of $2,140 by filing separately. Worth doing the math both ways!

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses! This is exactly the kind of insight I was hoping for. Based on what I'm reading, it sounds like I really need to run the numbers both ways before deciding. The student loan angle is particularly helpful since that wasn't something I had fully considered. A few follow-up questions: Since we bought our house in November, would the mortgage interest deduction be significant enough to tip the scales toward joint filing? We put down 10% so we're paying PMI too. Also, for my side gig income, I'm assuming I'd need to pay quarterly estimated taxes regardless of filing status - does that calculation change much between joint vs separate? I'm definitely going to try running both scenarios through tax software before making the final call. The state tax implications Nia mentioned are also something I need to research for Illinois specifically. Really appreciate everyone sharing their real experiences with this decision!

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Welcome to the community! Regarding your mortgage interest deduction question - since you only had the mortgage for about 2 months of 2024 (November-December), the deduction might not be as significant as it would be for a full year. However, don't forget that you can also deduct the points you paid at closing if you paid any, plus property taxes for those months. For your side gig quarterly estimated taxes, the calculation method stays the same regardless of filing status, but the actual amount might change. If you file separately, that $8k gets added only to your income rather than being spread across a joint return, which could bump you into a higher bracket. You'll want to recalculate your estimated payments once you decide on filing status. One more thing to consider - since this is your first year filing as married, you might want to consult a tax professional for this year just to make sure you're optimizing everything correctly. The combination of new marriage, home purchase, student loans, and side income creates enough complexity that professional guidance could pay for itself. Good luck with the decision!

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