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Has anyone had issues with their state taxes and solar credits? I'm in California and have heard there are additional state incentives, but I'm not sure how they interact with the federal credit.
California doesn't have a state tax credit for solar anymore but they do have net metering which can be financially beneficial. Some utilities also offer rebates. The federal tax credit is completely separate from any state programs so you can claim both without any conflict.
One thing that might help clarify the tax liability vs refund confusion - think of it this way: your tax liability is like the total bill for dinner at a restaurant. Throughout the year, you're making payments toward that bill through payroll withholding. If you overpay (like leaving a $50 tip on a $30 meal), you get change back - that's your refund. But the solar credit applies to the actual meal cost (your tax liability), not just the change you get back. So if your total tax liability is $4,000 and you paid $5,500 through withholding, you'd normally get a $1,500 refund. With an $8,400 solar credit, it would wipe out your entire $4,000 liability, you'd get back all $5,500 you paid in, and you'd carry forward $4,400 to next year's taxes. The key insight is that adjusting your withholding doesn't change your liability - it just changes the timing of when you pay it.
This restaurant analogy is perfect! I've been struggling to understand this concept for weeks and this finally makes it click. So essentially, I want to minimize my "overpayment" throughout the year so that the solar credit can cover more of what I actually owe at tax time, rather than just reducing a refund I was going to get anyway. Thank you for breaking it down so simply - now I feel confident about adjusting my W-4 to optimize for the solar credit.
Check if you qualify as a statutory employee - could be middle ground solution. Some workers can be treated as 1099 contractors but don't have to pay full self employment tax. Worth looking into.
This is incorrect advice. Statutory employees are still W-2 employees, not 1099 contractors. They're just a special class of employee that may be treated differently for certain tax purposes. The employer still needs to withhold FICA taxes and provide a W-2 (with box 13 "statutory employee" checked).
My bad, you're right. I was confusing different categories. Thanks for correcting me!
I went through almost the exact same situation a couple years ago with a temp agency that should have classified me as W-2 but sent a 1099-NEC instead. Here's what I learned: The key test is who had control over your work. Since your boss told you when to work, likely provided tools/equipment, and you worked exclusively for them during that period, you were definitely misclassified as an independent contractor. I'd recommend starting with a conversation with your former employer before filing any IRS forms. Explain that you believe you were misclassified and ask if they'd be willing to issue a corrected W-2. Many small business owners genuinely don't understand the classification rules and might fix it voluntarily to avoid potential IRS scrutiny. If they refuse, then go the Form SS-8 and Form 8919 route that others mentioned. The SS-8 gets you an official determination, and the 8919 lets you pay only the employee portion of Social Security/Medicare taxes instead of the full self-employment tax. One month of work probably isn't a huge tax difference, but it's the principle that matters. Don't let employers shift their tax burden onto workers - that's exactly why these classification rules exist.
This is really helpful advice! I like the idea of talking to the employer first before going straight to the IRS. Since it was only a month of work, maybe they'd be willing to fix it without making it a big deal. Do you remember roughly how much money you saved by filing the 8919 instead of just accepting the 1099? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the potential awkwardness with my former boss, especially since the landscaping season is coming up and I might want to work for them again.
One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you made only $2400, look into the Qualified Business Income deduction (Form 8995). It might let you deduct up to 20% of your business income! Definitely worth checking out for small sole proprietors. Also, if you worked from home for your business, don't forget about the home office deduction. You can either do the simplified method ($5 per square foot up to 300 sq ft) or actual expenses method. Just make sure the space is used regularly and exclusively for business.
Great question about the QBI deduction! The phase-out thresholds are pretty high - for 2024, the QBI deduction starts phasing out at $191,950 for single filers and $383,900 for married filing jointly. So with your $2,400 in business income, you're well below that threshold and should be able to claim the full 20% deduction. Just make sure your business qualifies - most sole proprietorships do, but there are some exclusions for certain service businesses at higher income levels (which again, you don't need to worry about at your income level). Form 8995 is pretty straightforward for simple cases like yours. This deduction alone could save you around $480 in taxable income, which is a nice chunk of change when you're just starting out!
This is super helpful! I had no idea about the QBI deduction. So if I understand correctly, with my $2400 profit, I could potentially deduct 20% of that ($480) from my taxable income? That would definitely help offset some of the self-employment tax burden. Do I need any special documentation to claim this, or is it just based on the profit I report on Schedule C? And does this work in addition to regular business expense deductions, or is it either/or?
Yes, exactly! The QBI deduction works in addition to your regular business expense deductions, not either/or. So you'd first calculate your net profit on Schedule C (revenue minus business expenses), and then you can potentially deduct 20% of that profit amount from your overall taxable income. No special documentation needed beyond what you're already doing - it's based on the net profit from your Schedule C. The deduction gets calculated on Form 8995 (or 8995-A for more complex situations, but you won't need that). One important note: the QBI deduction reduces your income tax, but it doesn't reduce your self-employment tax. So you'll still owe the ~15.3% SE tax on your full $2,400 profit, but your regular income tax will be calculated on a lower amount. Still a nice tax break though, especially when you're just getting started!
My sister works for the IRS (not in collections) and she always says most OICs fail because people don't give COMPLETE financial information. They leave stuff out thinking the IRS wont notice. But they have ways to verify your bank accounts, property, etc. If they catch you hiding things, your offer will be rejected immediately. Also make sure you keep filing and paying current taxes while your OIC is pending! That's another common reason they get rejected.
I went through the OIC process about 3 years ago with $89k in tax debt and successfully settled for $15k. The key things that helped me were: 1. Being completely transparent about my financial situation - I included EVERYTHING, even small bank accounts with minimal balances 2. Working with the Taxpayer Advocate Service (free!) when I got stuck on paperwork 3. Including detailed documentation of my expenses and why I couldn't pay the full amount 4. Being patient - the whole process took 11 months but was worth it One thing I wish I'd known earlier: if you qualify for the low-income certification, you don't have to pay the application fee or the initial payment with your offer. This saved me $205 plus the 20% down payment I would have had to include. Also, during the review process, make sure you respond to ANY requests for additional information immediately. They give you specific deadlines and missing them will kill your application. Given your situation with no assets and limited income, you actually have a decent shot at getting approved. The IRS knows they can't get blood from a stone. Just make sure your offer reflects what you can realistically pay based on their calculation methods.
Isabella Ferreira
Anyone know if this applies the same way for Schedule SE 2023? My husband and I are in similar situation but neither of us hit the $160,200 limit individually although together we go over. Am I understanding right that we'll both owe the full 12.4% SS tax on our side hustle income? That seems so unfair when couples who have one high earner wouldn't pay this!
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Paolo Ricci
ā¢Yes, this applies the same way for tax year 2023. Each of you will complete separate Schedule SE forms using only your individual W-2 wages on line 8A. Since neither of you individually reaches the $160,200 wage base limit, you'll both pay the full 12.4% Social Security portion on your self-employment income. It may seem unfair, but that's how the system works - Social Security taxes are tied to individuals, not couples. If all the income was earned by one spouse, they'd hit the limit and avoid additional SS tax. But when split between two people, each person's "counter" toward the limit is separate.
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Isabella Ferreira
ā¢Thanks for confirming! Still feels unfair but at least now I know what to expect. Guess this is the so-called "marriage penalty" people talk about. Might need to adjust our withholding or estimated payments to account for this extra SE tax. Ugh, taxes are so complicated!
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James Martinez
I've been a tax preparer for 15 years and this is one of the most common misconceptions I see with married couples who both have self-employment income. The key thing to remember is that Schedule SE is NOT affected by your filing status - it's always calculated individually. Even though you file a joint return, Social Security benefits are earned individually, so the taxes that fund them are also calculated individually. Each spouse needs their own Schedule SE, and line 8A should only include that person's individual W-2 wages, never the combined amount. One tip: if you're doing this yourself, make sure you're using the correct wage base limit for the tax year you're filing. It increases almost every year due to inflation adjustments. Also, don't forget to claim the deduction for the employer portion of self-employment tax on your joint return - that's one place where filing jointly actually helps you!
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Jamal Washington
ā¢Thank you so much for the professional insight! As someone new to dealing with self-employment income, this is really helpful. You mentioned claiming the deduction for the employer portion of SE tax - where exactly does that go on the joint return? Is that something that gets calculated automatically by tax software, or do we need to manually enter it somewhere? I want to make sure we don't miss out on that deduction since we're already paying more SE tax than I initially expected!
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