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2023 Amended Return Stalled - No Progress Since Oct 2 Freeze Removal, Missing Return Data Despite 3 ID Verifications

I've had to verify my identity 3 times for my 2023 amended return - once in person and twice by phone. Looking at my transcript from 10-22-2024 (tracking number 106787887063), I can see exactly what's been happening. Internal Revenue Service United States Department of the Treasury This Product Contains Sensitive Taxpayer Data Request Date: 10-22-2024 Response Date: 10-22-2024 Tracking Number: 106787887063 Account Transcript ER: 1040 TAX PERIOD: " 2023 ANY MINUS SIGN SHOWN BELOW SIGNIFIES A CREDIT AMOUNT --- ACCOUNT BALANCE: 0.00 ACCRUED INTEREST: 0.00 AS OF: Oct. 28, 2024 ACCRUED PENALTY: 0.00 AS OF: Oct. 28, 2024 ACCOUNT BALANCE PLUS ACCRUALS (this is not a payoff amount): 0.00 INFORMATION FROM THE RETURN OR AS ADJUSTED .. EXEMPTIONS: 00 FILING STATUS: Head of Household ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME: TAXABLE INCOME: TAX PER RETURN: SE TAXABLE INCOME TAXPAYER: SE TAXABLE INCOME SPOUSE: TOTAL SELF EMPLOYMENT TAX: RETURN NOT PRESENT FOR THIS ACCOUNT TRANSACTIONS CODE EXPLANATION OF TRANSACTION CYCLE DATE AMOUNT No tax return filed 810 Refund freeze 04-25-2024 $0.00 971 Amended tax return or claim 07-17-2024 $0.00 forwarded for processing 977 Amended return filed 07-17-2024 $0.00 43277-601-01739-4 811 Removed refund freeze 10-02-2024 $0.00 A refund freeze (code 810) was placed on April 25, 2024, then I filed my amendment on July 17, 2024 (shown by codes 971 and 977, amended tax return forwarded for processing and amended return filed). The freeze was finally removed on October 2, 2024 (code 811 removed refund freeze), but there's been absolutely no movement since then. My transcript shows $0.00 for account balance, accrued interest, and penalties as of October 28, 2024. It's listed as "RETURN NOT PRESENT FOR THIS ACCOUNT" even though I filed as Head of Household. The transcript confirms my filing status as Head of Household with 00 exemptions, but all the income fields are blank. There's no adjusted gross income, taxable income, or tax per return listed. No self-employment tax information either. I've gone through all these identity verifications, and the freeze was lifted over three weeks ago, but I'm still waiting for any progress. What's going on with my return? Why is there still no movement weeks after the freeze was removed? The transcript clearly shows the freeze was removed with code 811 on 10-02-2024, but nothing has happened since then. Is it normal for it to say "RETURN NOT PRESENT FOR THIS ACCOUNT" when I can see my filing status is recorded as Head of Household?

Liv Park

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Pro tip: Keep checking your transcript weekly. Sometimes they move faster than the Where's My Refund tool shows.

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I'm going through something similar with my 2022 amended return. Been waiting since August and just had my second ID verification last week. Your transcript breakdown is super helpful - I need to pull mine to see if I have those same transaction codes. The "RETURN NOT PRESENT" thing is confusing when they clearly have your filing status on file. Hoping yours moves soon since the freeze is lifted! šŸ¤ž

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Miguel Silva

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Has anyone actually done this successfully? I started something similar last year and ended up with a donor-advised fund instead because the legal and compliance requirements for a private foundation were too intense. The annual reporting alone was going to cost me thousands in accounting fees.

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I actually set up a private foundation successfully about 3 years ago. The key is having good advisors from the start. Yes, there are compliance requirements, but they're manageable if you set up good systems. The 990-PF filing is complex but not impossible.

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I've been through this exact process and can share some practical insights. You're right that this sounds like a private foundation structure, and yes, it's absolutely doable with proper planning. A few key things I learned during my setup: 1. The "sole member" aspect is perfectly legal, but you'll still need independent directors on your board to satisfy IRS requirements. I structured mine with me as the sole voting member, but with 3 independent directors who handle day-to-day operations and conflict of interest oversight. 2. For the investment growth strategy - this works, but be very careful about the types of investments you choose. The "jeopardizing investments" rules are stricter than most people realize. Stick to conservative, diversified portfolios initially. 3. Your 5% annual distribution plan is solid, but make sure you're calculating it correctly. It's based on the fair market value of your non-charitable use assets, averaged over the prior 3 years. The IRS has specific rules about what counts toward this requirement. 4. Documentation is crucial. Keep detailed records showing that all decisions benefit the charitable purpose, not personal interests. The IRS will scrutinize transactions between you and the foundation very closely. One unexpected benefit: having this structure has actually made my charitable giving more strategic and impactful. The multi-year planning horizon lets you tackle bigger projects than you could with annual donations. Happy to answer specific questions about the setup process if helpful.

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Has anyone else noticed that FAFSA's website is completely unhelpful about the tax implications of their aid? I spent hours trying to figure this out last year and ended up having to call my school's financial aid office.

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Right? The whole system is intentionally confusing. My financial aid office told me one thing, the IRS website said another, and my tax preparer had a completely different take. I ended up reporting everything conservatively just to avoid trouble later.

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Thanks for commiserating with me! It's absolutely ridiculous how difficult they make this information to find. I'm convinced it's intentional at this point. I eventually found that Publication 970 from the IRS had the most detailed information, though it's still written in that horrible tax language that normal humans can't easily understand. Definitely recommend having your school's financial aid office put in writing how much of your aid was loans vs grants, and how it was applied.

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Oliver Weber

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I went through this exact same situation two years ago and totally understand your stress! Here's what I learned that might help: First, take a deep breath - with your income level and withholding, you're very unlikely to end up owing money. Your $12,000 in earned income is well below the standard deduction threshold, so even if some of your FAFSA money is taxable, you'll probably still get a refund. The key thing is to separate your loans from your grants. Loans are NEVER taxable income - you're borrowing money that you have to pay back, so the IRS doesn't count it. For grants, only the portion used for non-qualified expenses (like room and board) is potentially taxable. Here's what really helped me: I made a simple spreadsheet listing all my school expenses (tuition, required fees, required books) and compared it to my total grant money. If your grants were less than or equal to those qualified expenses, none of it is taxable. If there was excess, only that excess amount gets added to your taxable income. And don't worry about not being full-time - you can still claim education credits for part-time enrollment! The American Opportunity Credit is available for the first four years of post-secondary education regardless of whether you're full or part-time. You're doing the right thing by filing your taxes. Given your situation, I'm confident you'll get money back, not owe it!

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This is such great advice, thank you! The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I never thought to break it down that systematically. I'm going to gather all my financial aid documents this weekend and create that comparison you mentioned. One quick question though - when you say "required books," does that include things like online access codes for homework platforms? My chemistry class required a $200 digital access code that wasn't technically a textbook. I'm hoping that counts as a qualified expense since it was mandatory for the course. Also, it's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same situation. All the tax websites make it sound so complicated, but your explanation makes it seem much more manageable!

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Emma Olsen

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation! My spouse also left their corporate job to start a freelance business, and the income uncertainty was stressing me out when filling out my W4. What ended up working for me was selecting "Married, but withhold at higher Single rate" like others mentioned, and then I used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator about halfway through the year to see if I needed to adjust. The estimator lets you input your year-to-date earnings and estimated income for the rest of the year, which was perfect for dealing with my spouse's variable freelance income. One thing I learned is that you can update your W4 multiple times throughout the year as your situation becomes clearer. So if your husband's photography business starts generating steady income, you can always adjust your withholding then rather than trying to guess perfectly right now. The "higher Single rate" option has been a good safety net for us - we'd rather get a refund than owe money, especially during this transition period where his business income is so unpredictable.

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This is really helpful to hear from someone in almost the exact same situation! I like your approach of using the "Married, but withhold at higher Single rate" as a safety net during this transition period. The idea of checking the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator midway through the year is brilliant - I hadn't thought about doing a mid-year adjustment once we have a better sense of how my husband's photography business is actually performing. That takes some of the pressure off trying to predict everything perfectly right now. You're absolutely right that getting a refund is better than owing money, especially when there's so much uncertainty. I think I'll go with the higher Single rate option and plan to reassess in 6 months or so. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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Hugo Kass

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Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who went through this exact scenario! My wife left her corporate job to start a consulting business two years ago, and I was the primary earner dealing with the same W4 uncertainty. One thing that really helped us was setting up estimated quarterly tax payments for her business income, even when it was irregular. This took some pressure off my W4 withholding because we were covering her self-employment taxes and income taxes through the quarterly payments instead of trying to withhold everything from my paychecks. The quarterly payment approach works especially well for photography businesses since the income can be so seasonal - wedding photographers might make most of their money in spring/summer/fall but have slower winters. This way you're not trying to predict a full year of income all at once. I ended up using "Married, but withhold at higher Single rate" on my W4 as others suggested, plus we made modest quarterly payments for her business. When her income became more predictable in year two, we adjusted both approaches. It's definitely easier to manage when you spread the tax planning across multiple strategies rather than putting all the pressure on your W4 withholding alone.

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Chloe Wilson

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This is such a smart approach! I hadn't even thought about the quarterly payment option for my husband's photography business. You're absolutely right that photography income can be really seasonal - he's already mentioned that wedding season will probably be his biggest earner, but the winter months could be pretty slow. Setting up quarterly payments would definitely take some of the guesswork out of my W4 situation. Right now I feel like I'm trying to solve this whole tax puzzle with just my withholding, but spreading it across both withholding and quarterly payments makes so much more sense. Do you remember roughly what percentage of your wife's projected income you used for the quarterly payments when you were starting out and her income was still unpredictable? I'm trying to figure out a reasonable starting point that won't leave us scrambling if his business takes off faster than expected.

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Omar Mahmoud

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We started with quarterly payments targeting about 20-25% of her projected annual income for the first year. This covered both the income tax and self-employment tax portions. Since photography income can be so unpredictable in the first year, we deliberately started conservative - better to pay a bit extra quarterly and get a refund than to underpay and owe penalties. What worked well was using her best-case and worst-case income scenarios to bracket the estimate. So if she thought she might make anywhere from $30K to $60K in her first year, we calculated quarterly payments based on about $40K ($2,000-2,500 per quarter). The nice thing about quarterly payments is you can adjust them as the year progresses. If his photography business is exceeding expectations by the second quarter, you can bump up the remaining payments. If it's slower than hoped, you can reduce them. Much easier than trying to change your W4 withholding multiple times throughout the year. Also, don't forget that self-employment income has that additional 15.3% self-employment tax on top of regular income tax - that's something that definitely won't be covered by your W4 withholding, so the quarterly payments become even more important for covering that piece.

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Yara Khoury

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I'm at week 20 and honestly considering reaching out to my congressman at this point. Filed my 1040X in September and still nothing but "processing" on WMR. My CPA said that's becoming the norm now - she's seeing 22-26 weeks regularly for her clients. The worst part is having zero real information about what's actually happening. At least with regular returns you get some updates, but amended returns are like throwing papers into a black hole. Really wish the IRS would be more transparent about realistic timelines instead of that misleading 16-week estimate.

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Arjun Kurti

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Week 20 is definitely getting into "contact your congressman" territory from what I've been reading! I'm new here but have been lurking and learning from everyone's experiences. It's so frustrating that they stick with that 16-week estimate when clearly the reality is much longer. Your CPA's timeline of 22-26 weeks seems to match what a lot of people are reporting in this thread. The lack of transparency is probably the worst part - at least if they said "expect 6+ months" upfront we could plan accordingly. Hope you get some movement soon, and definitely consider that congressional inquiry if you hit the 24-week mark! šŸ¤ž

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Rajiv Kumar

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who's been through this nightmare twice! My first amended return took 23 weeks and my second one (filed last year) took 19 weeks. The anxiety is absolutely brutal, especially when you need that money for bills like you mentioned. One thing that helped me was setting up direct deposit alerts so I'd know the moment anything hit my account instead of constantly checking the useless WMR tool. Also, if it makes you feel any better, I've never heard of an amended return just disappearing - they're slow as molasses but they do eventually process them. Hang in there, you're already at week 12 so you're in the home stretch even if it doesn't feel like it! šŸ™

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