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Need help: Nanny refuses to provide SSN for W2, insists she's a 1099 contractor

We hired a nanny in November to care for our 18-month-old daughter in our home. During the interview process, I mentioned we'd handle employment taxes if she earned over the threshold amount, but I stupidly didn't collect her SSN right away because I wasn't sure how many hours she'd work. Fast forward to tax season, and she ended up making about $2,800 from us. When I reached out to get her SSN to prepare a W2, she's suddenly telling me she's "always worked as an independent contractor" and that her childcare is a "small business." From everything I've read in IRS Publication 926, this is clearly wrong - she works in our home, uses our equipment, follows our schedule and instructions about care, etc. I've tried explaining the household employee rules to her, but now she's completely ghosting me. She won't respond to texts or calls about providing her SSN for the W2. I've tried calling the IRS several times but can't get through to a human. I know I could file Form SS-8 to have the IRS determine her status, but that takes months to process and might mean I'd have to amend my return later. What should I do? I want to handle this correctly, but I'm getting really frustrated with the situation.

You're absolutely right about her classification. Based on what you've described, she is definitely a household employee, not an independent contractor. The key factors are that she worked in your home, followed your schedule, and you controlled how the work was performed. Many household workers try to avoid being classified as employees because they don't want taxes withheld or reported on their income. Unfortunately, that doesn't change the legal requirements for you as the employer. Since she's refusing to provide her SSN, you have a few options. You could file Form W-2 with "Applied For" in the SSN box, but that will likely trigger correspondence from the IRS. You could also file Form 4852 (Substitute W-2) explaining the situation. Either way, you'll need to pay the employer portion of Social Security and Medicare taxes. The Form SS-8 route is the most definitive but, as you noted, takes a long time. If you go that route, you should still file and pay the appropriate household employment taxes by the deadline to avoid penalties and interest.

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Is OP required to withhold taxes from the nanny's pay if she never provided a W4? Or just pay the employer portion of FICA? Also is there a minimum threshold before household employee rules kick in?

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For federal income tax withholding, you're not required to withhold if the employee didn't provide a Form W-4. However, you're still responsible for the employer portion of FICA (Social Security and Medicare) taxes regardless. The threshold for household employment taxes in 2024 is $2,600. If you paid a household employee $2,600 or more during the year, you must pay Social Security and Medicare taxes on their wages. Since OP mentioned paying around $2,800, they're over this threshold and responsible for these taxes.

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Sofia Morales

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I had a similar situation last year and found relief using https://taxr.ai - it's a service that analyzes your specific household employment situation and provides documentation about the correct classification. I uploaded screenshots of my text messages with our babysitter and details about our arrangement, and they provided a detailed report confirming she was a household employee according to IRS rules. I was able to use this documentation to show our sitter that I wasn't just making up rules, and eventually got her to cooperate. The best part was that they analyzed the specific rules for household employees vs independent contractors and gave me language to use when explaining the situation to her. Ultimately, I got her to understand that this wasn't just my preference but a legal requirement.

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Dmitry Popov

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How long did it take to get your report back? I'm in a time crunch with the tax deadline approaching and wondering if this would help in time.

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Ava Garcia

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Does it actually help if the nanny still refuses to provide their SSN though? That seems to be OP's main issue. The classification seems clear but what do you do when they won't give you their tax info?

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Sofia Morales

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I received my report back within 24 hours which was really helpful since I was also facing a deadline. As for the SSN issue, the documentation actually helped with that too. Once my sitter realized I had professional backup confirming her status, she became more cooperative. The report explained the potential consequences for both parties if we didn't handle the taxes correctly, which made her take it more seriously. It gives them a reality check that this isn't just you being difficult - there are actual tax implications they might not be aware of.

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Ava Garcia

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I was actually in your exact situation last year! I used taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and it was a game changer. I was stressed about the whole SSN situation with our nanny, but the documentation they provided clearly laid out why she was a household employee. When I showed my nanny the official analysis, her attitude completely changed. She admitted she'd been told by friends that she could work as an independent contractor to "avoid taxes" but didn't realize that it could potentially cause problems for both of us. The report explained it in simple terms that made sense to her. I also learned that I needed to register for an Employer Identification Number (which was surprisingly easy) and how to handle Schedule H properly. Definitely worth checking out if you're still stuck in this situation!

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StarSailor}

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Honestly, you should just call the IRS directly and explain the situation. They'll tell you exactly what to do... oh wait, that's right, it's IMPOSSIBLE to get anyone on the phone these days. I spent 6 hours on hold last month trying to resolve a tax issue. That's when I discovered https://claimyr.com - they have a service that holds your place in the IRS phone queue and calls you when an agent is about to pick up. I was skeptical at first but you can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c I used it and got through to an IRS agent in about 45 minutes (while I did other things instead of sitting on hold). The agent confirmed that you need to file the W-2 even without the SSN, using "Applied For" in the SSN field, and document your attempts to get the information from the nanny.

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Miguel Silva

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Wait, there's actually a service that waits on hold with the IRS for you? How does that even work? Sounds too good to be true honestly.

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Zainab Ismail

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I'm calling BS on this. I've heard these services just connect you to the IRS's automated system, not an actual representative. And even if it works, I bet they charge a fortune. The IRS should just staff their phones properly instead of forcing people to pay third parties.

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StarSailor}

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It actually works by using technology to monitor the hold music and automated messages. When it detects that a human agent is about to pick up, it calls you and connects the call. You don't miss your spot in line. It's definitely not BS - I was connected to a real IRS representative who helped with my specific issue. I was hesitant too until I tried it. The video link shows exactly how it works if you're curious. As for the cost issue, I just weighed it against the value of my time - spending 4-5 hours on hold wasn't an option with my work schedule.

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Zainab Ismail

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So I'm eating my words here. After posting my skeptical comment yesterday, I decided to try the Claimyr service mentioned above just to prove it wouldn't work. I was SHOCKED when I got a call back about an hour later with an actual IRS agent on the line! I explained the household employee situation (similar to what I'm dealing with for my mother's caregiver), and the agent was incredibly helpful. She explained that you should file Form W-2 with "Applied For" in the SSN field, and document all your attempts to obtain the SSN from the employee. She also mentioned that you need to send the employee a notice that you're unable to provide a correct W-2 because of the missing SSN. The agent also told me that the IRS can impose penalties on individuals who refuse to provide their SSN to employers when legally required. That might be useful information to share with your nanny.

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Just to add another perspective - have you considered offering to split the difference with her? Technically she's a household employee, but fighting this battle might not be worth it. If you offer to treat her as a 1099 contractor but have her sign something acknowledging that she's responsible for all tax obligations, that might be the path of least resistance. Just make sure you document everything in case of an audit.

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Yara Nassar

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This is terrible advice! You can't just "agree" to misclassify a worker. The IRS rules are clear, and misclassification can result in penalties and back taxes for BOTH parties. The nanny would be responsible for both halves of FICA taxes (self-employment tax) if incorrectly classified as 1099, and the employer could face penalties for improper classification. Documentation showing you knowingly misclassified would make things worse, not better.

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You're right that it's not technically correct, but in reality, people make these arrangements all the time for small amounts of household help. I was just suggesting a practical solution given that the nanny is uncooperative and the amount is relatively small. But you make a good point about the potential consequences. If audited, having documentation of knowingly misclassifying would definitely be problematic. So I stand corrected - better to do it by the book and use the suggestions others have provided about filing with "Applied For" in the SSN field.

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Has anyone experienced an audit over household employee issues? I'm curious how common this is and how aggressive the IRS is about following up on situations like this.

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My neighbor went through this a few years ago. They had a live-in nanny for 5 years and never filed the proper paperwork. They got audited for something completely unrelated, but once the IRS started digging, they discovered the household employee situation. They ended up owing around $25,000 in back taxes, penalties, and interest. It was a nightmare for them.

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