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Wait i'm confuses...i thought business losses were reported on a schedule C and capital losseson a schedule D? Are they not treated the same on the 1040?
They're definitely reported on different schedules because they're treated differently! Business income/losses go on Schedule C and flow to your 1040 as ordinary income. Capital gains/losses go on Schedule D. The key difference is in how they can offset other types of income. Business losses (Schedule C) can generally offset ANY type of income - wages, capital gains, interest, etc. Capital losses (Schedule D) can only fully offset capital gains, with a limited ability ($3k per year) to offset ordinary income. Think of business losses as "universal offset" and capital losses as "restricted offset" with special rules.
Just wanted to add a practical tip for tracking all this - keep meticulous records of your business activities and time spent if you're claiming active participation. The IRS loves to challenge material participation claims, especially when substantial losses are involved. I learned this lesson when I had a side consulting business that lost money its first year. Even though it was clearly active business income (I was doing all the work myself), I didn't keep great time records. When my return got selected for review, I had to scramble to reconstruct my activity logs from emails, calendar entries, and receipts. Also worth noting - if you're planning to convert your LLC to an S-corp next year, make sure you understand how that affects loss carryforwards. Generally, losses from your sole proprietorship can't be used by the S-corp since they're different tax entities. You'd want to utilize as much of the current year loss as possible before making any entity changes. The interaction between different types of income and losses is definitely one of the more complex areas of tax law, but understanding it can save you thousands!
Have you considered taking out a loan instead of withdrawing from your annuity? Depending on your needs, a personal loan might be cheaper than paying both taxes and the 10% penalty, especially if you only need the money short-term.
This is actually smart advice. I was in a similar situation last year and ended up taking a HELOC instead of withdrawing from my annuity. The interest rate was around 5.5%, which was way less than the combined tax hit + penalty + surrender charges that would have totaled almost 35% of my withdrawal.
I went through this exact situation about 6 months ago and can confirm what others have said - the 10% penalty definitely applies to earnings from non-qualified annuities if you're under 59½. One thing I wish I had known earlier is that you should also factor in your state's tax treatment. Some states have no income tax on annuity withdrawals, while others tax them as ordinary income. This can significantly impact your overall tax burden. Also, timing matters. If you're close to a lower tax bracket year (maybe due to job loss, reduced income, etc.), it might be worth waiting if possible. The earnings from annuity withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income, not capital gains, so they hit your highest marginal rate. Before I made my withdrawal, I created a spreadsheet comparing the total cost of withdrawal (taxes + penalty + surrender charges) versus other funding options like personal loans or borrowing against my 401k. In my case, a 401k loan actually made more sense for my short-term needs.
Filed mine on 1/22 and still nothing showing up either. Starting to wonder if there's some kind of system issue this year because usually WI is pretty quick compared to other states. Anyone know if they changed their processing systems recently?
Quick question - does anyone know if there are any exceptions to the reasonable compensation requirement? Like if you're running the S corp as a side business and have a full-time job elsewhere?
There's no specific exception for side businesses, but reasonable compensation is based on time spent and value added. If you're minimally involved (like just a few hours monthly), your reasonable compensation would be proportionally less than someone working full-time. The key is documenting your actual involvement and justifying the compensation level based on that.
@Miguel Ramos - Just to add to what others have said about Form 1125-E, yes you absolutely need to file it even with zero compensation reported. But here's something that might help with the bigger picture: consider setting up a payroll system immediately for 2025 to start taking reasonable compensation going forward. The IRS has been increasingly aggressive about S-Corp reasonable compensation audits, especially for profitable companies. Since you crossed $500K in revenue, you're definitely on their radar now. I'd suggest consulting with a CPA who specializes in S-Corps to establish a defensible compensation strategy - they can help you determine what's "reasonable" in your industry and document the rationale. Also keep in mind that once you start taking W-2 wages, you'll have quarterly payroll tax obligations, so factor that into your cash flow planning. Better to be proactive about compliance than deal with penalties and back taxes later.
Rajan Walker
I just went through this exact situation with my mortgage! Here's what I did to resolve it: Step 1: I printed my transcript showing the processing date Step 2: I asked my lender if they would accept this as proof of filing Step 3: They required an official record of account transcript Step 4: I ordered this specific transcript from the IRS website Step 5: This satisfied my lender's requirements Thank you all for the insights on the cycle codes! I had no idea what these numbers meant until now. Really appreciate everyone taking time to explain this.
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Connor Murphy
I've been dealing with similar transcript confusion for weeks! The cycle codes are like a secret language that only IRS insiders understand. From what I've gathered through my own research and talking to a tax professional, your cycle 20240605 with the Feb 26th processing date is actually a good sign - it means your return made it through the initial review process without any red flags. For your mortgage situation, I'd recommend getting a "Record of Account" transcript in addition to your regular transcript. Most lenders accept this as proof that your taxes are processed even if the refund hasn't hit your account yet. You can order it online through the IRS website and it usually arrives within 5-10 business days. The waiting game is brutal, especially with time-sensitive financial commitments. Hang in there - based on the timeline others have shared, you should see movement soon!
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Hannah White
ā¢This is super helpful, thank you! I'm actually dealing with a similar mortgage timeline crunch right now. Quick question - when you say "Record of Account" transcript, is that different from the regular account transcript I can pull from IRS2Go? And did your lender specifically ask for that type, or did you just proactively get it? I'm trying to stay ahead of any potential documentation requests from my loan officer. The stress of coordinating tax processing with closing dates is no joke!
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Chloe Anderson
ā¢Yes, the "Record of Account" transcript is different from the regular account transcript! The Record of Account shows your complete filing history and payment records, while the regular transcript just shows your return information. Most mortgage lenders prefer the Record of Account because it's more comprehensive and shows the IRS has your return on file. My lender actually specifically requested it after I initially submitted the regular transcript - they said it wasn't sufficient for their underwriting requirements. I'd definitely recommend being proactive and getting both types now rather than waiting. You can order the Record of Account online through IRS.gov (same login as IRS2Go) and select "Record of Account Transcript" instead of "Account Transcript." The turnaround time can vary, but I got mine in about 7 business days via mail. Given your closing timeline, I'd order it ASAP and maybe also call your loan officer to confirm exactly which transcript type they need. Better to have it ready than scramble at the last minute!
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