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protip: check ur transcripts at exactly midnight on friday. thats when they usually update with new codes
tried that last week no luck but ill keep trying π
Stupid question maybe, but does anyone know if there's any tax advantage to having a fiscal year vs calendar year for an S-Corp? My CPA suggested switching to fiscal year ending 9/30 but didn't really explain why it would benefit me.
Not a stupid question at all. Fiscal years can provide timing advantages for tax planning. By ending your fiscal year on 9/30, you get an extra 9 months to implement tax strategies before your tax year closes. This can be helpful for deferring income, timing expenses, etc. However, remember that S-Corps pass income through to shareholders' personal returns, which are typically calendar year. This mismatch can create complexity. Also, as others mentioned, you need a legitimate business purpose and IRS approval via Form 1128. Seasonal businesses or those with natural business cycles often have valid reasons for fiscal years.
Just want to add a quick clarification that might help others avoid confusion - when you're determining which tax year to use, always remember that the IRS considers the fiscal year to "belong" to the calendar year in which it begins, not ends. So if your fiscal year runs from July 1, 2023 to June 30, 2024, it's a "2023 fiscal year" and you file Form 1120-S for tax year 2023. This applies even though most of the business activity might have occurred in calendar year 2024. Also, don't forget that your K-1s to shareholders will also be marked as 2023, which means shareholders report this income on their 2023 personal tax returns (due April 15, 2024). This timing can sometimes work in your favor for tax planning purposes, but it's important to communicate clearly with shareholders about which tax year they'll be reporting the pass-through income.
You might consider a completely different approach. Our partner group set up a separate LLC just for holding our excess business cash. We put our partnership funds there, and that entity invests in various HYSAs and even some low-risk bonds. The investment LLC distributes interest and gains back to the main business quarterly. This creates a clean separation, keeps everything properly documented, and actually gives us better liability protection than just having it all in one business account.
Isn't creating another LLC just adding unnecessary complexity and fees? You'd have additional tax filings, registered agent fees, and probably accountant costs too, right?
The additional costs were surprisingly minimal. We use a pass-through LLC taxed as a partnership, so it's just one schedule K-1 that flows into our main partnership return. The registered agent fee is $49/year in our state. The benefits far outweigh the costs for us. It creates a firewall protecting our operational cash from investment decisions, and it gives us a structure to take slightly higher returns through diversified investments instead of just a single HYSA. Our accountant actually suggested it after we hit about $100k in excess cash, and it's been working great for three years now.
I'm a small business owner too and I totally screwed this up my first year. I put all our biz money in my personal HYSA and the interest got reported on my personal 1099-INT. Come tax time, my accountant was like "WTF is this???" I had to amend both my personal return AND our business return. Plus my partners were pissed because technically I had "taken" money from the business without proper distributions to them too. Complete nightmare that cost me like $1200 in accounting fees to fix. DON'T DO IT. Just find a business account with decent rates even if it's a bit lower than personal accounts. The tax headache isn't worth the extra few hundred bucks.
How did your partners find out? Did you tell them or did it come up during tax preparation? I'm in a similar situation but haven't mentioned it to my partners yet...
They found out during our year-end partnership meeting when we were reviewing financials. My accountant had to explain that the interest income I received personally should have been business income, which meant I essentially took an unauthorized distribution equal to that interest amount. My advice: tell your partners NOW and figure out a proper solution together. The longer you wait, the worse it looks and the more complicated the fix becomes. We had to do equal distributions to my partners to make up for what I accidentally took, plus all those amendment fees. Much better to be upfront and solve it properly from the start.
Did you check box 2 on your W-4? That's the box for multiple jobs or spouse works. If you didn't check that, neither employer would know to withhold extra to cover both incomes.
This! The new W-4 form is so confusing. I made the same mistake last year. You have to specifically tell them about multiple jobs or they assume your one job with them is your only income.
Ana, I completely understand your panic - I went through something very similar last year! The good news is that with your dependent situation (especially filing as Head of Household with your daughter), you're likely in a much better position than you think. A few immediate things that should help ease your worry: 1. **You probably qualify for significant tax credits** - The Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) can be substantial for single parents in your income range, plus the $2,000 Child Tax Credit for your daughter, and potentially a $500 credit for claiming her father as a dependent. 2. **Your effective tax rate is likely lower than you fear** - After the Head of Household standard deduction ($21,900 for 2024) and credits, your actual tax liability on ~$30K might be surprisingly manageable. 3. **The IRS has payment options** - If you do owe money, you can set up an installment plan when you file. They're generally very reasonable about this, especially for first-time situations. My advice: File as soon as possible to know exactly where you stand. Don't let fear keep you from finding out the actual numbers - it's probably not nearly as scary as you're imagining. And definitely update your W-4s for both jobs this year, making sure to indicate you have multiple jobs so proper withholding happens going forward. You've got this! πͺ
For your W-4 updates, you have a couple of options. The easiest approach is to use the IRS's online W-4 calculator at irs.gov - it's specifically designed for situations like yours with multiple jobs. You'll enter information about both jobs and it will tell you exactly how to fill out each W-4. Generally, you'll want to claim all your dependents and filing status on your higher-paying job's W-4, then use the "Multiple Jobs Worksheet" or check box 2c on the lower-paying job's form. This prevents double-counting your deductions while ensuring proper withholding across both jobs. As for tax prep, given that this is your first time with this situation and you have multiple dependents, I'd honestly recommend seeing a professional this year. They can make sure you're claiming all the credits you're entitled to (EITC can be tricky to calculate correctly) and help you plan your withholding strategy for next year. Many tax preparers offer reasonable rates, and the peace of mind plus potential credit optimization could more than pay for itself. You're absolutely going to be fine! Most people in your situation end up owing much less than they feared, and sometimes even get refunds due to the credits. π
For updating your W-4s, you have a couple options. The easiest approach is to use the IRS W-4 calculator on their website - it'll help you figure out exactly how much extra to withhold from each job. You can either split it between both jobs or have one job withhold the extra amount to cover both incomes. Personally, I'd recommend having the higher-paying job ($16/hour) withhold a bit extra to cover the combined tax liability. That way if anything changes with your part-time schedule, you're still covered. As for tax software vs. professional - your situation isn't that complex (Head of Household, dependents, EITC, Child Tax Credit), so good tax software should handle it fine. TurboTax, FreeTaxUSA, or even the IRS Free File options would work. Save the money for a professional unless you run into specific questions the software can't answer. The most important thing is just getting it filed so you know where you stand! You're going to feel so much better once you see the actual numbers. π
Jibriel Kohn
Random question on this topic - has anyone tried doing a DIY cost segregation analysis instead of paying for a professional one? My accountant suggested I could save money by just making reasonable estimates myself, but I'm worried about audit risk.
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Finley Garrett
β’While technically possible, DIY cost segregation is extremely risky. The IRS specifically looks for proper engineering-based studies to support accelerated depreciation claims. A proper study uses engineering methodologies to determine the correct allocation of costs and includes detailed documentation that stands up to scrutiny. Without that professional backing, you're at much higher risk of audit and potential penalties. The fees for professional studies are generally worth it for the audit protection alone, not to mention the likelihood that professionals will find more components eligible for acceleration than you would on your own.
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Jibriel Kohn
β’Thanks for the insight. That's kind of what I was afraid of - I definitely don't want to increase my audit risk. I guess it makes sense to view the cost of the professional study as partially paying for audit protection.
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Edison Estevez
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - if you do cost segregation, make sure your CPA understands how to properly implement it on your tax returns. I had a cost seg study done last year and my regular accountant ended up making mistakes because he wasn't familiar with how to apply the findings correctly. Had to switch to a CPA who specializes in real estate investing.
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Cass Green
β’That's a really good point I hadn't considered. Do you have any suggestions for how to verify if a CPA has enough experience with cost segregation before I commit? I don't want to go through the cost of the study only to have it applied incorrectly.
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Monique Byrd
β’Great question! Here are some ways to vet a CPA's cost segregation experience: 1. Ask directly how many cost segregation studies they've implemented in the past year - you want someone who does this regularly, not just occasionally. 2. Ask them to explain the Form 3115 process for catch-up depreciation - if they can't walk you through this clearly, that's a red flag. 3. See if they can explain the difference between applying cost segregation to new vs. existing properties and how bonus depreciation interacts with it. 4. Ask for references from other real estate investors who've used their services for cost segregation. 5. Many cost segregation companies can recommend CPAs they've worked with successfully - that's actually how I found my current accountant. The cost segregation company should also provide detailed instructions for your CPA on how to implement their findings, but you still want someone who understands the process rather than just following instructions blindly.
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