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One thing I don't see mentioned here is the importance of checking whether your fiscal year election is still valid if you've made any significant changes to your S-Corp structure. I learned this the hard way when I added a second shareholder to my S-Corp that had been operating with a June 30 fiscal year end for three years. The IRS required me to re-justify the business purpose for the fiscal year since the ownership structure changed. Apparently, when you have new shareholders, especially if they don't have the same "business purpose" justification, the IRS can revoke your fiscal year election and force you back to calendar year. I had to file a new Form 1128 and provide updated documentation showing that the business purpose still existed with the new ownership structure. It was a months-long process that I wasn't expecting. Just wanted to flag this for anyone who might be considering bringing on new shareholders or changing their S-Corp structure - make sure to verify that your fiscal year election will remain valid after any ownership changes.
This is incredibly important information that I hadn't considered! I'm actually in the process of potentially bringing on an investor to my S-Corp that currently operates on a fiscal year ending August 31st. Do you know if there are specific ownership percentage thresholds that trigger this review, or does any change in shareholders potentially invalidate the fiscal year election? Also, did you have to suspend your fiscal year operations during the re-approval process, or were you able to continue operating under the existing fiscal year while the Form 1128 was pending? I'm wondering if I should get this sorted out before finalizing any investment agreements to avoid complications down the road.
@f276654cb9eb Great question about the ownership thresholds! From what I experienced, it's not necessarily about specific percentage thresholds, but more about whether the new shareholder shares the same business purpose justification that was originally approved for the fiscal year election. In my case, I was able to continue operating under the existing fiscal year while the Form 1128 was pending - the IRS doesn't require you to suspend operations. However, they do want you to file the application as soon as you know about the ownership change, ideally before it takes effect. My advice would definitely be to get this sorted before finalizing your investment agreements. Include a provision in your term sheet that the fiscal year election review is completed successfully, or at minimum, get written acknowledgment from your potential investor that they understand and support the business purpose for your fiscal year. This can actually strengthen your case with the IRS when you file the updated Form 1128. The whole process took about 4 months for me, but having everything documented upfront made it much smoother. Better to deal with this complexity before bringing on the investor rather than having it create uncertainty after they've already committed capital.
This has been such an educational thread! I'm dealing with a fiscal year S-Corp (ending 12/31/2024) and was completely confused about the filing requirements until reading through everyone's experiences. One additional consideration I haven't seen mentioned is the impact on Section 199A deduction timing. Since S-Corp income passes through to shareholders' personal returns, and my fiscal year ends in December, I need to be extra careful about how the timing affects my qualified business income calculations on my personal return. For anyone else dealing with fiscal year S-Corps, I'd recommend creating a calendar that maps out all the key dates - fiscal year end, corporate return due date (with extensions), K-1 distribution deadlines, estimated payment due dates, and when shareholders need the information for their personal returns. Having this visual timeline has helped me stay organized and avoid the timing confusion that seems to trip up so many people with fiscal year elections. Also want to echo what others said about keeping documentation - I scan and save copies of my Form 1128 approval in multiple cloud storage locations after hearing these stories about having to produce it repeatedly for various business purposes.
Thanks for bringing up the Section 199A timing issue - that's something I hadn't fully considered with my fiscal year S-Corp! Your calendar idea is brilliant. I've been struggling to keep track of all these different deadlines and how they interact with each other. One question about your fiscal year ending 12/31/2024 - isn't that essentially a calendar year? Or are you referring to a different date? I'm curious because I thought most fiscal years were set up to avoid the December 31st calendar year-end specifically. The documentation point is so true. I learned this lesson when my bank needed to verify my business structure for a loan application and couldn't understand why my tax returns showed different years than they expected. Having everything readily accessible definitely saves time and prevents those awkward conversations where you're trying to explain why your "2024" business activity is reported on a "2023" tax return.
@767981ed8cfd You caught my typo - I meant fiscal year ending 11/30/2024, not 12/31! You're absolutely right that 12/31 would just be a regular calendar year. My fiscal year actually runs from 12/1/2023 to 11/30/2024. The Section 199A timing gets tricky because even though my fiscal year ends in November 2024, that income gets reported on my 2023 personal tax return (since the fiscal year began in December 2023). This means I need to plan my QBI calculations almost a full year in advance of when I actually file my personal return. Your point about bank interactions is so relatable! I've had similar experiences with lenders, insurance companies, and even some vendors who get confused by the fiscal year structure. I now keep a one-page explanation document along with my Form 1128 approval that breaks down exactly how my tax years work and why the dates don't align with calendar years. It's saved me countless phone calls trying to explain the same thing over and over. The calendar approach has been a game-changer for staying organized across multiple deadlines that don't follow the typical calendar year rhythm.
I've been following this discussion and want to add one more perspective as someone who made this mistake early on. Beyond all the excellent points about tax complications and partnership issues, there's another practical problem nobody's mentioned yet. When you mix business funds with personal accounts, it becomes incredibly difficult to maintain clean financial records for your business. Banks don't distinguish between "personal use" and "business use" of funds in personal accounts - it's all just account activity to them. If you ever need to provide financial statements for a business loan, investor due diligence, or even just your annual tax preparation, having business funds flowing through personal accounts creates a documentation nightmare. You'll spend hours trying to separate legitimate business transactions from personal ones, and it looks unprofessional to potential lenders or investors. I learned this lesson the hard way when we tried to get a business line of credit. The bank wanted 12 months of business financial statements, and having to explain why our business income was scattered across personal accounts was embarrassing and ultimately hurt our application. Stick with a proper business HYSA - the slightly lower rate is a small price to pay for maintaining professional financial practices that will serve you well as your business grows.
This is such an important point that I hadn't even considered! As someone just starting out in business, I was so focused on the immediate tax and partnership issues that I completely overlooked the long-term implications for financial documentation and credibility. Your experience with the business loan application really drives home how these decisions can have consequences way down the road. Having to explain to a bank why your business funds were mixed with personal accounts sounds like a nightmare, and I can definitely see how that would hurt your credibility as a borrower. This thread has been incredibly educational - between the tax complications, partnership distribution issues, liability protection concerns, and now the financial documentation problems, it's clear that keeping business funds in a personal account is a mistake on multiple levels. The few hundred dollars in extra interest just isn't worth all these potential headaches and risks. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's exactly the kind of real-world insight that helps newcomers like me avoid costly mistakes!
This has been such a valuable discussion! As a newcomer to both business ownership and this community, I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and expertise. I'm actually facing a very similar situation with my photography business partnership - we have about $28k sitting in a basic business checking earning practically nothing, and I was seriously considering the personal HYSA route until reading through all these responses. The constructive distribution issue is what really opened my eyes. I had no idea that depositing business funds into my personal account could be viewed as me taking an unauthorized distribution that my partners would be entitled to match. That's exactly the kind of partnership conflict I want to avoid! Based on all the recommendations here, I'm going to start researching business HYSAs with Marcus by Goldman Sachs and Capital One. Even if I end up with 4.1% instead of the 4.6% my personal account offers, the peace of mind from proper documentation, tax compliance, and maintaining good partnership relationships is definitely worth that difference. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share their experiences - this community just prevented me from making what could have been a very costly mistake both financially and professionally!
Welcome to the community! You're absolutely making the right call by avoiding the personal account route. As someone who's been lurking here for a while before joining, I've learned so much from threads like this. The photography business can have really unpredictable cash flows too, so having that clean separation between business and personal finances will be especially important when you're trying to track seasonal revenue patterns or prepare financial statements for potential equipment loans down the road. One thing I'd add based on what others have shared - when you do make that transfer to a business HYSA, definitely document it clearly in your partnership records. Even something as simple as "Transferred $28k from Business Checking Account #xxx to Business HYSA #xxx for better yield while maintaining proper business account structure" will create a clean paper trail that your accountant (and any future auditors) will appreciate. The difference between 4.6% and 4.1% on $28k is only about $140 per year - definitely not worth risking your partnership or professional credibility! Good luck with the Marcus and Capital One research!
Did you check box 2 on your W-4? That's the box for multiple jobs or spouse works. If you didn't check that, neither employer would know to withhold extra to cover both incomes.
This! The new W-4 form is so confusing. I made the same mistake last year. You have to specifically tell them about multiple jobs or they assume your one job with them is your only income.
Ana, I completely understand your panic - I went through something very similar last year! The good news is that with your dependent situation (especially filing as Head of Household with your daughter), you're likely in a much better position than you think. A few immediate things that should help ease your worry: 1. **You probably qualify for significant tax credits** - The Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) can be substantial for single parents in your income range, plus the $2,000 Child Tax Credit for your daughter, and potentially a $500 credit for claiming her father as a dependent. 2. **Your effective tax rate is likely lower than you fear** - After the Head of Household standard deduction ($21,900 for 2024) and credits, your actual tax liability on ~$30K might be surprisingly manageable. 3. **The IRS has payment options** - If you do owe money, you can set up an installment plan when you file. They're generally very reasonable about this, especially for first-time situations. My advice: File as soon as possible to know exactly where you stand. Don't let fear keep you from finding out the actual numbers - it's probably not nearly as scary as you're imagining. And definitely update your W-4s for both jobs this year, making sure to indicate you have multiple jobs so proper withholding happens going forward. You've got this! πͺ
Thank you so much Lucy! This is exactly what I needed to hear. I've been losing sleep over this for weeks thinking I was going to owe like $10,000 or something crazy. I'm definitely going to file ASAP - I keep putting it off because I'm scared of the number, but you're right that not knowing is probably worse than knowing. And I had no idea about the Earned Income Credit potentially being substantial for my situation. Quick question though - when I update my W-4s, should I put the same information on both forms? Or do I need to split the withholding between the two jobs somehow? I really don't want to mess this up again next year! Also, do you think it's worth paying for a tax professional this year given the complexity, or should the standard tax software handle my situation okay?
Just wanted to add another important point that hasn't been covered yet - if you're dealing with CSED issues, make sure you understand the difference between the Collection Statute Expiration Date and the Assessment Statute Expiration Date (ASED). The ASED is typically 3 years from when you filed your return (or should have filed), and it determines how long the IRS has to assess additional taxes. The CSED is the 10-year period for collection that everyone's been discussing. These are completely separate timelines. Also, if you filed an amended return or the IRS made adjustments to your original return, each change creates a new assessment with its own 10-year CSED. So even if your original 2008 tax return's CSED has expired, if the IRS made an adjustment in 2015, that adjustment would have its own CSED expiring in 2025. This is why getting your Account Transcript is so crucial - it shows every assessment and adjustment, not just the original filing. Many people think their debt should be gone based on their filing date, but don't realize there were later assessments that reset the clock.
This is such an important distinction that I wish more people understood! I made this exact mistake when I first started researching my old tax debt. I was calculating my CSED based on when I filed my 2009 return, but it turned out the IRS had made several adjustments over the years - one in 2012 for unreported 1099 income and another in 2014 when they disallowed some deductions I had claimed. Each of those adjustments created new assessments with their own 10-year collection periods. So while I thought my debt should have expired in 2019, some portions actually don't expire until 2024. Getting the Account Transcript was eye-opening - it showed the complete timeline of assessments that I never would have known about otherwise. For anyone dealing with this situation, don't just assume you know when your CSED expires. The IRS makes adjustments all the time, and each one can extend your collection period significantly.
Mary, I understand how frustrating this situation must be after dealing with tax debt for so long. The 10-year Collection Statute Expiration Date (CSED) is real, but as others have mentioned, it's more complex than it initially appears. Given that your tax issues stem from 2008-2011 and it's now 2025, some of those debts may indeed have reached their CSED. However, the clock starts from the assessment date, not the tax year, and various actions can extend or "toll" the statute. Here's what I'd recommend as your next steps: 1. Request Account Transcripts for each tax year (2008-2011) from the IRS website or by calling 800-908-9946 2. Look for the assessment dates and any notations about tolling events 3. Calculate your actual CSED dates based on the assessment dates plus any extensions If you discover that some debts should have expired but are still showing as active, contact the IRS Collections department directly at 800-829-1040 and ask to speak with someone about Collection Statute Expiration Dates. Have your Account Transcripts ready when you call. The key is having the documentation to support your position. Without knowing your specific assessment dates and any tolling events, it's impossible to say definitively which debts should have expired. But given the timeframe you're dealing with, there's definitely hope that some of this debt may be legally uncollectible.
Eli Butler
protip: check ur transcripts at exactly midnight on friday. thats when they usually update with new codes
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Kai Rivera
β’tried that last week no luck but ill keep trying π
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Emma Thompson
Hang in there! I'm in the exact same situation - filed early with EITC and CTC, still showing 152 on WMR. From what I've read on other forums, the PATH Act hold should start lifting around Feb 15th, but it's really a gradual process. Some people get their 846 codes right when it lifts, others wait another week or two. The IRS processes these in batches, so it's not all at once. I'm trying to stay patient but it's tough when you're counting on that money! π€
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