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Silver Coins - taxed as collectible or capital gains when selling at 15-18x face value?

I recently lucked out and acquired some silver coins in the fall that I was able to purchase at their face value. These coins have a melt value of about 16.5 times what I paid for them. When looking at selling options, coin dealers are offering around 15 times face value, while private collectors might pay up to 18 times face value. I'm trying to figure out the tax implications when I sell these. Would the profit be considered capital gains or would it fall under collectible taxes? If it's capital gains, I'm wondering if I should hold onto them for at least a year to qualify for the long-term rate. And if they're taxed as collectibles, does the holding period (short-term vs. long-term) even make any difference in the tax rate I'd pay? Any advice would be appreciated as I'm trying to plan the most tax-efficient way to handle this unexpected windfall!

One thing to keep in mind is that if you're planning to sell in multiple batches over time, you might want to consider the timing strategically. Since you're already past the one-year holding period threshold for long-term treatment, you could spread the sales across different tax years to potentially stay in lower tax brackets. Also, don't forget about state taxes! Some states have no capital gains tax, while others tax collectibles at ordinary income rates. Depending on where you live, this could significantly impact your after-tax proceeds. I learned this the hard way when I sold some gold coins and got hit with both federal collectibles tax AND my state's ordinary income rate on top of it. The 28% federal rate is just the ceiling - if you're in a lower tax bracket, your effective rate on the collectibles gain might be less. Worth running the numbers both ways before you decide when and how much to sell.

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This thread has been absolutely invaluable! I've been holding some silver coins for about 8 months now and was completely confused about the tax implications when I eventually sell. The clarification that physical silver coins are taxed as collectibles at 28% (not regular capital gains rates) is exactly what I needed to know. @Austin Leonard - what an incredible find at that estate sale! Even with the collectibles tax rate, you're looking at amazing returns. I'd definitely echo the advice others have given about spreading the sales across multiple batches. Not only could this help with tax bracket management, but it also gives you flexibility to capture potentially better pricing if silver markets fluctuate. The recommendations for taxr.ai and Claimyr are really helpful too. As someone relatively new to precious metals, having professional guidance on the proper forms and tax calculations seems like it would be worth every penny to avoid costly mistakes. One question I had - several people mentioned the importance of documentation. For someone like me who bought from a reputable coin dealer with proper receipts, is that sufficient, or should I be keeping additional records beyond the purchase receipts?

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Confused about 7004 Extension for 1065 Partnership - Consolidated Return Question

I'm working on submitting a 7004 extension for my partnership's 1065 form and running into a weird question. My situation is that I have an LLC partnership that fully owns (100%) another LLC which is the one actually generating revenue. I'm looking at line 3 of Form 7004 which says: "If the organization is a corporation and is the common parent of a group that intends to file a consolidated return, check here. If checked, attach a statement listing the name, address, and employer identification number (EIN) for each member covered by this application." In previous years, I've submitted a consolidated return as the parent partnership. But here's my confusion - the form specifically mentions "if the organization is a corporation" but my parent company is structured as an LLC, not a corporation. Should I check this box anyway and attach the info for my subsidiary LLC? Or is the consolidated return option only available for corporations? The instructions aren't super clear on how to handle this for partnerships with subsidiaries.

Has anyone used the online form for 7004? I tried submitting electronically but got an error about the "consolidated return" field even though I left it unchecked. Is paper filing more reliable for partnership extensions?

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I've filed 7004s electronically for partnerships without issues. What software are you using? Some tax programs handle the extension forms better than others. I've had good luck with ProSeries and Lacerte for partnership extensions.

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I had a similar electronic filing issue with 7004 last year. The problem was that my tax software was automatically populating certain fields based on entity type detection, even when I thought I had left them blank. Try checking if your software has an "entity type" or "return type" setting that might be influencing how it handles the consolidated return question. Also, make sure you're using the correct version of Form 7004 - there are different versions for different entity types. If the electronic filing keeps giving you trouble, paper filing is definitely reliable for partnership extensions. I've never had issues with paper 7004s, and for something as straightforward as a partnership extension, it might be worth avoiding the electronic headaches altogether.

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1099R Code PJ Question - Filing with freetaxusa.com for excess Roth IRA contribution

I got a 1099R this year after I had to withdraw from my Roth IRA because I went over the income limit for 2018. The gross distribution (box 1) shows about $7,800 and the taxable amount (box 2a) is around $270. They put distribution code PJ in box 7. I'm trying to file through freetaxusa.com but there's a problem - it only lets me enter one code, not both P and J together. I'm stuck on which one to choose. And depending on which code I pick, it gives me different follow-up options. Anyone know how I should handle this? Do I use the P code or the J code when freetaxusa only lets me pick one? Really appreciate any help on this!

Just to add some additional context - the "P" code tells the software that this is a distribution from a Roth IRA, while the "J" indicates it's specifically a return of excess contributions that happened within the allowable timeframe (which is why you only have a small taxable amount on your earnings). Remember that only the earnings portion is taxable when you properly remove excess contributions, which matches your situation where box 2a is only showing about $270 taxable on a $7,800 distribution. The system should handle this correctly once you select the proper options.

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So does this mean the original $5700 contribution isn't taxed again? I'm confused about why the earnings are taxed but not the original contribution amount.

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Exactly right! When you contribute to a Roth IRA, you're using after-tax dollars that have already been taxed. So when you remove excess contributions within the allowed timeframe, you don't get taxed again on that original contribution amount - that would be double taxation. However, any earnings that grew from that excess contribution while it was in the account ARE subject to tax, plus potentially the 10% early withdrawal penalty (though the J code indicates an exception applies in this case). That's why your $7,800 distribution only shows $270 as taxable - the $270 represents the earnings portion, while the remaining ~$7,530 was your original after-tax contribution that gets returned to you tax-free.

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This is really helpful information everyone! I'm dealing with a similar situation but my 1099R has code "G" - does anyone know how that should be handled? I had to take an early withdrawal from my traditional IRA due to financial hardship, and I'm not sure if freetaxusa.com will handle the hardship exception properly when I enter the distribution information. Also, for those who successfully resolved their PJ code issues - did you end up owing any additional taxes beyond what was already withheld, or did the software calculate everything correctly once you selected the right options?

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Anyone else with Navy Federal and DDD of 3/13?

So I just checked my transcript this morning and finally got a direct deposit date of 3/13! Yay! I bank with Navy Federal and I know they sometimes release funds early. Last year I think I got mine a day before the actual date. Anyone else in the same boat with Navy Federal and the same DDD? Just trying to figure out when I might actually see the money hit my account. This whole process has been more confusing than I expected...

Just got my refund this morning! Same situation - Navy Federal with 3/13 DDD. Woke up to the deposit at 6am. So they released it a full day early. Hope you see yours soon too!

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Congrats on getting your DDD! I'm also with Navy Federal but my transcript is still showing "processing" - no DDD yet. Filed on 2/15 so I'm hoping mine comes through soon. Navy Federal has always been good to me with early deposits on other things like paychecks, so fingers crossed they do the same for tax refunds. The waiting is definitely the worst part! Keep us posted on when yours actually hits your account - it'll give the rest of us Navy Federal members a good idea of their timing this year.

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Why doesn't the child tax credit apply to 17 year olds? Still in high school but no tax break. Single mom owing $1400 while billionaires pay nothing?!

I can't believe I just found out that the child tax credit doesn't apply to my 17-year-old. How is this fair? My kid is still completely dependent on me, still in high school, still living at home, still eating all my food and using all my utilities! But somehow the IRS decided that 17-year-olds don't count for the child tax credit? I'm completely blindsided by this and now I owe $1400 that I have to pay by April. Where am I supposed to get that kind of money? I'm a single mom working my butt off just to keep us afloat. I was counting on that tax credit like I've gotten every other year. The system is so messed up. How can I, a single mother barely making ends meet, end up owing taxes while billionaires are getting away with paying next to nothing? Their accountants find every loophole while regular people like me get screwed over. I was perfectly fine handling my taxes all these years but now I'm panicking. What changed with the child tax credit? Did I miss something? Has it always excluded 17-year-olds and I just never noticed before?

I'm going through this exact same thing! My son turned 17 last February and I lost the child tax credit. I ended up owing $1,775 that I wasn't expecting. Anyone know if there's a way to file an extension and pay later without huge penalties? I just can't come up with this money by April.

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You can file an extension with Form 4868, but that only extends the time to FILE your return, not the time to PAY what you owe. You'll still accrue penalties and interest on any unpaid amount after the April deadline. BUT - the IRS has payment plans that are actually pretty reasonable. Look into the short-term payment plan (120 days) which has no setup fee!

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I'm so sorry you're dealing with this financial stress - the 17-year-old cutoff really catches a lot of parents off guard. One thing that might help immediately is to double-check that you're claiming all the credits you're eligible for. Since your child is still your dependent, you should definitely be able to claim the $500 Credit for Other Dependents that others mentioned. Also, with your income level, you very likely qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EIC) which could be substantial - potentially thousands of dollars that could completely eliminate what you owe. The EIC has different age rules than the child tax credit, so your 17-year-old should still qualify you for it. If you still end up owing money after claiming all available credits, don't panic about the April deadline. The IRS offers payment plans - you can set up a short-term plan (120 days or less) online with no setup fee, or longer-term plans with very reasonable monthly payments. The penalties and interest are much lower than most people expect. You might want to consider having a different tax professional review your return to make sure nothing was missed, especially the EIC which could be a game-changer for your situation.

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