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To add to this convo - don't forget that if you do form an LLC and keep it as a disregarded entity (basically taxed as a sole prop), you can still deduct the annual LLC fee that most states charge as a business expense on Schedule C! That's separate from your state income taxes. I pay $800/year to California for my LLC and that amount IS deductible as a business expense.
Does that apply to all states? I'm in Texas and thinking about forming an LLC but we don't have state income tax here.
Texas doesn't have the same type of annual LLC fee that California does, but they do have the franchise tax which applies to LLCs. If your LLC has to pay the Texas franchise tax, that would be deductible as a business expense on Schedule C. However, Texas has revenue minimums before the franchise tax kicks in (I believe it's around $1.23 million in revenue), so many small businesses don't end up paying it. But if you do have to pay it, yes, it's deductible as a business expense.
I think we're all overcomplicating this. Just use an accountant people! I tried doing my own taxes as a sole prop for 2 years and missed so many deductions. Paid $650 for an accountant last year and she found over $3k in deductions I missed. She also explained that some business structures have higher audit risk than others so it's not just about the deductions.
Not everyone can afford $650 for an accountant. Some of us are just starting out and trying to keep costs down while we build our businesses.
My neighbor is a tax preparer and she said some parents try to deduct this as a medical expense if their child has an IEP or 504 plan, claiming it's necessary transportation for medical/educational services. But she strongly warned against this unless the transportation is specifically for medical treatment or special education services explicitly required in the IEP. Regular transportation to standard schooling doesn't qualify, even with an IEP. The IRS apparently flags these kinds of questionable deductions often. Just FYI before anyone goes down that path!
I actually did this legitimately! My son's IEP specifically requires specialized transportation accommodations due to his sensory processing disorder. His doctor documented that public transportation/standard busing isn't possible for him. In that very specific case, the transportation costs were deductible as a medical expense (the portion exceeding 7.5% of AGI). But you're right - this only works in very specific medical necessity situations, not for regular school transportation.
I went through this exact same frustration last year when our district cut bus routes! After researching extensively and even consulting with a CPA, I can confirm that unfortunately there's no federal tax deduction for mandatory school transportation costs. However, don't give up entirely - here are a few things that might help your situation: 1. **Check your state tax code** - Some states offer education expense credits that are more generous than federal rules. A few states actually do provide small credits for transportation-related educational expenses. 2. **Document everything anyway** - Keep detailed records of your mileage, gas receipts, and any vehicle maintenance costs related to school transportation. While not deductible now, tax laws can change, and having good records never hurts. 3. **Look into other education deductions** - Make sure you're not missing any legitimate education-related tax benefits like the Child and Dependent Care Credit if you're paying for before/after school care due to your work schedule. 4. **Consider the bigger picture** - If you're doing any work-from-home or side business, make sure you're maximizing those vehicle deductions for legitimate business use. It's genuinely unfair that we're legally required to get our kids to school but can't deduct the forced expense, especially when districts cut transportation. Hopefully future tax reform will address this gap!
This is really helpful advice, especially the point about documenting everything even though it's not currently deductible. I'm going through the same situation with our district cutting bus service and having to drive 12 miles daily for school runs. I'm definitely going to look into our state tax code - I had no idea some states might have more generous education expense credits. Do you happen to know if there's a good resource to check state-specific education tax benefits, or is it best to just search "[state name] education tax credit" type queries? The point about keeping detailed records makes sense too. Even if the laws don't change, having that documentation habit established will probably help me be more organized with other legitimate deductions I might be missing.
Has anyone actually gotten their refund before Feb 15 with PATH? Starting to think its impossible lol
literally impossible. its federal law
idk why they even do test batches if were all stuck waiting anyway smh
As someone who's been through this exact situation before, I can confirm what others are saying - PATH Act means waiting until Feb 15th regardless of when you were accepted. The "test batch" just helps them work out processing kinks, but the law is the law. Your transcripts being updated is actually a good sign though! It means you'll likely be in that first wave of refunds once the PATH restrictions lift. I know the waiting sucks but at least you know everything is processing correctly on their end.
Nope not possible. PATH is PATH. Its literally in the law that they cant process these returns till after feb 15. buckle up buttercup š¤”
Just want to add that while you're waiting for PATH to lift, you can still check for other updates on your transcript like processing dates or any notices. The 846 code specifically won't show until after Feb 15th, but at least you can monitor that your return is moving through the system. Hang in there - the wait is brutal but it's the same for everyone with EITC/ACTC!
Ella Thompson
This has been such an enlightening thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation where my business partner and I are considering restructuring our LLC, and honestly, I had no idea about most of these tax implications until reading through everyone's experiences. The concept that really blew my mind is the "technical termination" under Section 708 - I never realized that a partnership could be considered terminated for tax purposes even when the business continues operating. So if I understand correctly, when Sam left in July, the original partnership was deemed terminated, requiring a short-year return from January-July, and then Mark's single-member LLC started fresh from July onward? What's particularly concerning is how complex this gets when you factor in the upfront payment business model. Between the deemed distribution of cash, potential ordinary income treatment on unrealized receivables, and the need for proper documentation, it sounds like there are so many ways this could go wrong if not handled correctly. I'm definitely taking everyone's advice about getting professional help BEFORE making any changes. Based on what I'm reading here, the planning strategies available beforehand are much better than trying to fix problems after the fact. One question though - for those who've been through this, how do you find a tax professional who actually specializes in partnership taxation? It seems like this is a pretty specialized area that not all CPAs would be familiar with.
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Taylor To
ā¢You've got it exactly right about the Section 708 technical termination! It's one of those tax concepts that seems counterintuitive at first - the business keeps operating, but for tax purposes, the partnership "ended" when the ownership structure changed significantly. Finding a tax professional who really understands partnership taxation can be challenging. Here are some approaches that have worked for me and others I know: 1. **Look for CPAs with "partnership specialist" credentials** - The AICPA has specific certifications for partnership taxation 2. **Ask potential CPAs specific questions** - If they can't explain concepts like Section 751 hot assets or deemed distributions without looking them up, keep searching 3. **Check with your state CPA society** - They often have referral services and can point you toward CPAs who specialize in business/partnership taxation 4. **Ask for references from other business owners** - Especially those who've dealt with partnership changes or complex business structures 5. **Consider firms that serve a lot of small businesses** - They're more likely to have experience with LLC partnership issues The key is interviewing them before hiring. A good partnership tax specialist should be able to walk you through the potential issues in your specific situation and explain the planning options available. If they seem uncertain about partnership taxation rules or suggest "we'll figure it out when we file," that's a red flag. Don't be afraid to pay for a consultation upfront - it's much cheaper than dealing with tax problems later!
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Jamal Harris
This thread has been incredibly valuable! I've been following along because we're potentially facing a similar situation next year. One thing I haven't seen discussed much is the state tax implications of partnership changes. While everyone's focused on federal tax issues (which are obviously critical), I'm wondering if different states handle partnership terminations and deemed distributions differently? For example, some states don't recognize federal S-corp elections, so I'm curious if there are similar disconnects with partnership taxation. Could Sam face different tax treatment at the state level even if the federal treatment is clear? Also, for those who mentioned getting IRS guidance directly - did you also check with your state tax authority? It seems like getting both federal and state clarity upfront could save a lot of headaches later, especially since state tax rates and rules can vary significantly. Would love to hear if anyone has experience navigating both federal and state requirements for partnership changes!
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Debra Bai
ā¢Great point about state tax implications! You're absolutely right that this adds another layer of complexity that shouldn't be overlooked. From what I've seen, most states do generally follow federal partnership tax rules, but there can definitely be important differences. Some states have their own versions of deemed distribution rules or handle partnership terminations slightly differently. A few states also have different rules around what constitutes "doing business" in the state, which could affect filing requirements when ownership changes. The timing differences can be particularly tricky - if your state has a different tax year or filing deadline than federal, you might need to coordinate the short-year returns differently. Some states also have additional forms or notifications required when partnerships terminate or change ownership structure. I'd definitely recommend checking with both federal and state authorities, especially if you're in a state with significant business taxes like California or New York. The state tax liability on a deemed distribution could be substantial depending on your state's rates. For anyone going through this process, make sure your tax professional is familiar with your specific state's partnership tax rules, not just federal. It's another good screening question when you're interviewing potential CPAs - ask them about state-specific partnership tax issues in your jurisdiction. State tax problems can be just as costly and complicated as federal ones, so it's worth getting clarity on both fronts upfront!
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