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Olivia Kay

Tax implications when LLC partnership changes from 50/50 to single-member - what happens to the money?

Hey tax folks, I need some clarity on a partnership situation that's unfolding (not my partnership, but could affect me). I'm trying to understand the tax implications so I can ask the right questions when talking to the parties involved. Here's the situation: Mark and Sam started 2023 as equal 50/50 partners in an LLC. The business collects customer payments upfront, then uses that money throughout the year to buy services and materials to fulfill orders. They don't keep inventory. On July 1st, Sam resigned from the partnership but stayed on as an employee. Mark took over 100% ownership of the LLC (with approval from other employees who aren't officially on the registration and get 1099s). When Sam left the partnership, there was about $130,000 sitting in the business accounts. Now it's year-end, and the accountant pointed out that from January-July, it was a 50/50 partnership, and when Sam resigned, that $130K was still in the bank. Between July and December, about $65K of that money was spent on business expenses (services and materials), and the other $65K will be distributed as compensation to Mark (now sole owner) and employees. By December 31st, the business accounts will be nearly empty. My question: Are there tax implications for Sam leaving the partnership in July, even though the money wasn't distributed at that time? Since it's a pass-through entity, does Sam technically have any tax liability for that $130K that was in the account when he left, even though it was later used for legitimate business expenses? The parties are still figuring things out, but I want to understand what questions to ask. Any insights would be super helpful!

Joshua Hellan

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This is a great question about partnership taxation. When a partner leaves an LLC, there are definitely tax implications to consider, especially regarding the company's assets at the time of departure. In simplified terms, when Sam left the partnership, he essentially "sold" his 50% interest back to the LLC/Mark. The tax treatment depends on what Sam received in exchange for his partnership interest. If Sam received no payment for his interest (just walked away), he may still have taxable income based on his share of the partnership's assets, including that cash in the bank. The IRS generally views this as if Sam received a "deemed distribution" of his share of the partnership assets (potentially including 50% of that $130,000), even if no actual cash changed hands. This could create tax liability for Sam, regardless of how the money was later spent by the business. The critical details would be in the separation agreement between Mark and Sam. Was there any compensation for Sam's partnership interest? Did they properly document the termination of his ownership? Did Sam receive anything of value in exchange for his 50% stake?

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Olivia Kay

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Thanks for explaining! There wasn't a formal separation agreement as far as I know. Sam just said he wanted out of the partnership responsibilities but was happy to keep working there. I don't think he received any payment specifically for his ownership stake. Would the fact that he stayed on as an employee complicate things?

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Joshua Hellan

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The lack of a formal agreement definitely complicates matters. Even without a written agreement, the IRS would still consider that Sam's partnership interest had value that was either abandoned or transferred. Yes, Sam staying on as an employee adds another layer of complexity. The IRS might question whether his continued employment and compensation include some form of payment for his partnership interest. They'll want to ensure the employment arrangement isn't just disguising what should have been a taxable transaction.

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Jibriel Kohn

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Jibriel Kohn

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Mia Green

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Emma Bianchi

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One aspect that hasn't been mentioned yet is the potential for a "hot asset" issue when a partner leaves. Section 751 of the tax code deals with this. If your LLC had any "hot assets" (unrealized receivables or substantially appreciated inventory), then Sam's departure could trigger ordinary income rather than capital gains treatment. Given that you mentioned the LLC collects money upfront for future services, there might be deferred revenue on the books that could be considered an unrealized receivable. This could significantly impact Sam's tax situation.

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Olivia Kay

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I hadn't even thought about that! Can you explain a bit more about what counts as an "unrealized receivable" in this context? The business does collect payments upfront before providing the services/goods.

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Emma Bianchi

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Unrealized receivables include any rights to payment for goods or services that haven't yet been included in income. In your case, since the LLC collects money upfront from customers for future services, that creates deferred revenue on the books (money received but not yet earned), which qualifies as an unrealized receivable. When Sam left the partnership, his share of these unrealized receivables would be treated as ordinary income rather than capital gain, potentially resulting in higher taxes. This is the IRS's way of preventing partners from converting what would be ordinary income into more favorably taxed capital gains by selling their partnership interest.

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When my partner left our LLC last year, we had a similar situation with cash in the bank. Our accountant insisted on treating it as a "constructive distribution" to the departing partner, regardless of whether he actually received any cash payment. The key is what happened to the partner's capital account at the time of departure. Even if no money changed hands, the departing partner must recognize gain to the extent their outside basis is less than their share of the cash in the business. We ended up issuing a final K-1 to the departing partner showing the deemed distribution.

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Were there any issues with this approach during tax filing? Did the IRS question the deemed distribution since no actual cash changed hands? I'm in a similar situation and worried about doing this incorrectly.

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Miguel Silva

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No issues at all during tax filing. The IRS expects this treatment when a partner leaves - it's standard partnership tax law under Section 736. The key is proper documentation. We made sure to have a written agreement (even if basic) stating that the departing partner received no payment for their interest, and we calculated the deemed distribution based on their capital account balance and cash position at departure. Our accountant said the IRS would be more likely to question it if we DIDN'T treat it as a deemed distribution, since that would look like we're trying to avoid recognizing the tax event. The departing partner did have to pay taxes on their share even though they got no cash, but that's just how partnership taxation works. Make sure you document everything and work with someone who understands partnership tax rules - it's not worth trying to figure this out on your own.

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GalaxyGlider

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This is a complex situation that definitely needs professional guidance, but I can share some key points to consider based on similar cases I've encountered. The timing of Sam's departure (July 1st) is crucial because it likely triggered a "technical termination" of the partnership for tax purposes under Section 708. This means you'd need to file a short-year partnership return from January 1 to July 1, and then start fresh with Mark as a single-member LLC from July 1 onwards. Regarding that $130K in the bank when Sam left - yes, there are likely tax implications for Sam even though the money was later spent on legitimate business expenses. The IRS generally treats this as if Sam received a "deemed distribution" of his 50% share of the partnership's assets at the time of departure, regardless of whether he actually received cash. A few critical questions to ask: 1. What was Sam's capital account balance when he left? 2. What was his outside basis in the partnership? 3. Were there any unrealized receivables or deferred revenue on the books (given the upfront payment model)? 4. Was there any written documentation of the ownership change? The fact that Sam stayed as an employee adds another layer - the IRS will want to ensure his employment compensation isn't disguising what should have been a taxable transaction for his partnership interest. I'd strongly recommend getting this reviewed by a tax professional who specializes in partnership taxation before year-end. The compliance requirements and potential tax liabilities are too significant to leave to guesswork.

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Mateo Lopez

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This breakdown is incredibly helpful! I'm just trying to wrap my head around all these moving pieces. When you mention the "technical termination" under Section 708, does that mean Mark would need to get a new EIN for the LLC after July 1st since it's now a single-member entity? Or does the same EIN continue to be used? Also, regarding the deemed distribution concept - if Sam's outside basis was higher than his share of that $130K (let's say his basis was $80K and his share would be $65K), would he actually avoid any immediate tax consequences? Or am I misunderstanding how the basis calculation works in this context? The unrealized receivables question is particularly concerning since this business model involves collecting money upfront. It sounds like this could create ordinary income treatment rather than capital gains, which would be much worse for Sam tax-wise.

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Great questions! Regarding the EIN - no, Mark wouldn't need a new EIN. The LLC continues as the same legal entity, just with a change in tax classification. After July 1st, it would be treated as a disregarded entity (single-member LLC) for tax purposes, but the EIN stays the same. Your understanding of the basis calculation is mostly correct. If Sam's outside basis ($80K in your example) exceeds his share of the cash distribution ($65K), he wouldn't recognize gain on that portion. However, he would still need to reduce his basis by the deemed distribution amount, leaving him with $15K of remaining basis. But here's the critical part you're picking up on - the "hot assets" issue under Section 751. If there are unrealized receivables (which there likely are given the upfront payment model), Sam's share of those would be treated as ordinary income regardless of his basis situation. This is separate from and in addition to any gain/loss on the cash distribution. So Sam could potentially face: 1. Ordinary income on his share of unrealized receivables 2. Capital gain/loss on the remainder (cash, equipment, etc.) based on his basis The ordinary income treatment on the receivables portion could indeed be much more costly tax-wise. This is exactly why professional guidance is essential - the Section 751 calculations can get complex, and the tax consequences are significant. You're asking all the right questions though!

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Cameron Black

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This thread has been incredibly educational! I'm dealing with a somewhat similar situation where my business partner wants to step back from our LLC, and reading through all these responses has made me realize how many tax landmines we could be walking into. The "deemed distribution" concept is particularly eye-opening - I had no idea that a departing partner could face tax liability on their share of business assets even if they don't actually receive any cash. And the Section 751 "hot assets" issue with unrealized receivables sounds like it could really complicate things for businesses that collect payment upfront. A few follow-up questions for the group: 1. Is there any way to structure a partner departure to minimize these tax consequences, or are they essentially unavoidable? 2. If we're planning a partnership change for next year, what documentation should we be preparing now to make sure we handle it correctly? 3. Are there any elections or tax strategies that can help spread out the tax impact over multiple years? It sounds like professional guidance is absolutely critical, but I want to understand the basics so I can have an informed conversation with our accountant. Thanks to everyone who's shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world insight you can't get from just reading tax code!

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Kristin Frank

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Great questions! From what I've learned dealing with partnership changes, there are definitely strategies to minimize tax impact, though you can't completely avoid all consequences. For structuring the departure, timing can be crucial. If your partner has low basis or the business has significant cash/receivables, you might consider having them take some distributions before the ownership change to reduce the deemed distribution impact. You could also structure it as an installment sale of the partnership interest rather than an abandonment, which might provide better tax treatment. For documentation, start now with: - Updated operating agreement reflecting the change - Written partnership termination/buyout agreement - Current partnership tax basis calculations for both partners - Financial statements showing cash, receivables, and any deferred revenue - Documentation of fair market value of the partnership interest Regarding spreading the tax impact - there are some options like installment sale treatment or Section 736 payments, but they depend on your specific situation and need careful structuring. One thing I wish I'd known earlier: consider getting a partnership tax specialist involved BEFORE making any changes. The planning strategies are much more limited once the ownership change has already happened. The upfront cost of proper planning is usually far less than the tax consequences of getting it wrong! @3e1baca26062 Feel free to ask if you want me to elaborate on any of these points based on what I learned going through this process.

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Yara Sabbagh

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This is such a valuable discussion! As someone who's been lurking here trying to understand partnership tax issues, I really appreciate everyone sharing their real-world experiences. One thing that strikes me from reading all these responses is how the tax code seems designed to ensure that departing partners can't just "walk away" from their share of partnership assets without tax consequences. The deemed distribution concept makes sense from the IRS perspective - otherwise partners could manipulate the timing of actual distributions to avoid taxes. What I'm curious about is the practical side of this. In the original scenario, Sam stayed on as an employee, so there's presumably still a good relationship between the parties. But what happens when the departing partner doesn't have the cash to pay taxes on income they never actually received? If Sam owes taxes on his deemed share of that $130K but never got any actual money, that could create a real hardship situation. Are there any provisions in the tax code for situations where the deemed distribution creates a tax liability the departing partner can't afford to pay? Or is the expectation that partnerships should always plan ahead and either distribute cash before ownership changes or structure buyout payments to cover the tax liability? It seems like this is another strong argument for getting professional help BEFORE making any partnership changes, not after!

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